The Libertarian, Green and Peace & Freedom parties of California have announced their support of the recently formed ProRep Coalition, which advocates for adoption of proportional representation (PR) voting systems in California. Here is the ProRep Coalition’s website.
Here is a ProRep plan for Proportional Representation in California.
There can be no doubt that the adoption of proportional voting systems would greatly boost the electability of minor party candidates. Frankly, I don’t see that happening without PR.
Another longstanding organization that has worked for electoral reform in California is Californians for Electoral Reform. Here is CFER’s website.
Thanks to Independent Political Report for the heads up!
Another stupid idea, and the fact commies George Phillies and Bil Redpath support it confirms my beliefs.
“Without the help of parties, individual voters would have the tremendous and time-consuming responsibility of studying every individual candidate’s policy positions to determine whether they align with their politics. This would be impossible for most voters, who don’t have the time or resources to do all that work on their own.”
So I’ve been thinking… if it’s not feasible for a candidate to talk directly with voters, maybe the candidate is representing too many people. Is Party PR really the answer? At least do something like Single Transferable Vote, where you still vote for candidates.
EXACT CONSTITUTIONAL LANGUAGE OF CA PR PLAN ???
HAS TO GET PAST SCOTUS FIXATION WITH CENSUS POPULATION STATS.
Fanny Willis lied and the Georgia BS case died!
GERRYMANDER MATH 000001–
1/2 OR LESS VOTES X 1/2 RIGGED CRACKED/PACKED GERRYMANDER AREAS = 1/4 OR LESS CONTROL = OLIGARCHY
SUPER-WORSE EXTREMIST PRIMARY MATH.
COMMIE/FASCIST TROLL MORONS/HACKS LOVE IT [ESP BAN TROLL MORONS] — AND RESULTING EXTREMIST LAWS, EXECS AND JUDICS.
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PR
APPV
TOTSOP
AZ is the only BAN troll moron!
@Adam Cerini… Ideally you do both… single transferable for district elections and then keep about 30% of the seats in each state for party list proportional to push seat totals back into proper alignment (so called “top up” seats). Look up “additional member” proportional.
Also I personally favor increasing both the size of the house and senate. That does two thing for the house, 1 it gives each congress member LESS weight per vote, and 2 makes the population per member smaller. For the senate, it would permit altering the election method there too; to something more proportional. My preferred number is 12 senators per state, 8 elected through single transferable (4 each in two different election years), 2 appointed, and 2 non-partisan senators using instant run off (in the year that the single transferable elections are NOT held; you would take the last two remaining candidates after all the vote transfers).
This way the House is almost 100% proportional and the Senate is semi-proportional and at the same time you appease both the people that think the senate should be entirely appointed and the people that think it should be entirely non-partisan.
@ 6:54 pm, I disagree. There’s also Alden.
Fascinating… so it’s the people that post substantive multi-paragraph responses that propose solutions to problems with our institutions and systems that are trolls and not the people that post one sentence responses doing nothing more than calling people a moron?
Exactly. Your “solutions” are troll trash, would make things worse, and aren’t worth even this reply.
TOTAL VOTES / TOTAL MEMBERS = EQUAL VOTES TO ELECT EACH MEMBER
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MIGHT EVEN ELECT A FEW TROLL MORONS IF A LARGE NUMBER OF VOTES AND MEMBERS–
MIGHT ENTERTAIN THE MEDIA HACKS WITH THEIR MORONITY.
MANIFEST_ANYTHING DOESN’T ACTUALLY WORK.
And your solution is?…. Right nothing. The system is clearly broken and you offer nothing of substance to fix it. I thought this was the core of the MAGA argument anyway…. Things aren’t working because elites have screwed everything up… so get the elites out of the system and return the government to the people. Proportional representation does that, by removing elements like single party domination (and by extension domination by party leader oligarchs) in legislatures.
If you’re not aware proportional representation doesn’t change the presidential system… nobody that favors proportional is suggesting a move to a parliamentary system or removing the election of a president or getting rid of the electoral college. It also would NOT create a congress that is elected nationally…. States still maintain their own representatives; and district elections and local lists for proportional still maintain localization…. There is no favoring cities.
Aiden wants more bloated pensions and corrupt lawmakers. What a fucking retard.
Aiden, thanks. I would maybe consider repealing the 17th Amendment, and have the federal Senate represent the state legislatures instead of the people at large. This concept could be extended downward: State senate appointed (voted) by county legislature, county senate appointed by municipal legislature. But that’s up to each state.
As for the lower house, having 700,000 people per representative is not ideal. But having thousands of representatives also seems excessive (see James Madison). The less powerful the federal government is, the less this matters. And the lower down you go (state, county, municipality), the closer to the people you get. Maybe Party PR works better for the highest level, because individual candidates at that scale are so far removed from the voters.
Wrong. My ultimate solution is the Max plan. Or you can go back to the aeticle, currently in page 2 here, about Michigan Republicans splitting, and read the comments of my good friend Roman Salute about solutions. Read the whole discussion while you’re at it. Long and short comments aren’t the issue. Direction of change is.
First, the article does identify the basic problem (single member districts with plurality voting), and does recognize the associational rights of political parties.
The solutions it offers has some good and bad aspects. Multi member district, especially in metro areas, would be an improvement.
Voting for party lists, rather than candidates, is too foreign for Americans. We like to know WHO we are getting when we vote, and some of us like to split our tickets. Alternative voting methods in metro based multi member districts, such as ranked choice, approval or cumulative voting could produce more proportional results without party list voting.
Also, it might be a good idea, to test any alternative voting method in just one House of the legislature, and leave the other House elected in the traditional, single member district way, thus creating a natural check on different constituencies within the legislature itself.
Finally, in the case of California, their legislature is WAY TOO SMALL to offer enough representation to such a huge, populous, and diverse state. I don’t believe that either house meets the cube root rule for legislative size.
IN fact, it might even be a good idea to divide California into several new states.
Unthinkable that was @Aiden, right? I know what proportional representation is and isn’t. I’m against it because I don’t like politicians passing the buck. Each voter should have one representative per legislative body. I want no question as to who is responsible for representing me and who to punish or reward with my vote at the next election.
Errata;
I don’t know how Google managed to turn A into unthinkable. I realize we have two senators, but they’re elected in different cycles, and should not be popularly elected anyway.
I agree that Max and Roman Salute posted good solutions directionally. I also agree that the 17th is among many amendments which need to go. Almost every amendment since the war of Yankee aggression fits that category.
How about banning all foreigners from serving in Congress? No Omar or her husband/brother for one.
A quick and easy way for California to expand the size of the legislature would be to have five state reps per Congressional district, all elected at-large within the Congressional district. No new, additional districts needed.
That would be even more commies ruining California. No thanks.
This statement on Page 14 of the manifesto is offensive:
“However, there is no federal law mandating how state legislative elections are
conducted, and Article IV, Section IV of the Constitution allows state
governments to experiment with alternative election systems.”
The map on Page 18 is wishful thinking.
A fundamental problem in California is too few legislators relative to the population. The map on Page 18 suggests 16 districts which would have 2.5 million people each. They would have wildly varying number of voters so that there would not even be geographical proportionality. Allocating five legislators on the basis of party results in quantizing the result. The examples given by advocates will show a party getting 20% or 40% of the vote. They don’t show what happens when a party gets 29% of the vote. They might hand wave that it will “even” out, and in other districts they might get 31% of the vote and get a bonus rounding to 2 members or 40%.
But rounding is somewhat akin to flipping a coin. With only 16 trials you are unlikely to get exactly 8 heads and 8 tails. It is quite possible to get 12 heads and 4 tails. This quantization is not dissimilar to what happens in single-member districts where a party will get either 0% or 100% of the representation in each district.
It would be better to adopt the John Cox concept of citizen legislature with 1000s of representatives elected with weighted voting. If a candidate receives 12,348 votes, they exercise 12,348 votes. Representation is perfectly proportional.
Fred, Gary, A, and of course uncle Pig Farmer are all correct.
JR posted:
“A fundamental problem in California is too few legislators relative to the population”
Exactly. In California, the state senate has 40 members and the state house of reps has 80 members. They have 52 seats in the US House, more than the number of state senators.
California’s population is just about 40,000,000. Using the cube root rule, California ought to have a state house of reps with at least 342 seats. They can achieve that very simply by electing 7 state reps at-large per Congressional district. No additional redistricting needed. They might also consider expanding the size of the state senate to 52 members, one per Congressional district, elected in the traditional way with plurality voting.
Now you want 7 commies per district? Your plan is getting even worse.
What if we don’t pay them?
New Hampshire is a state with 1,400,000 people. The state House of Representatives has 400 members. Some of them are even elected in multi-member districts.
New Hampshire is the ONLY state with NO personal income tax, OR NO general sales tax. Not many commies or socialists there by any sense of the word. It appears to me that most folks in New Hampshire are well represented by their legislature.
Another interesting fact about New Hampshire. The state constitution actually REQUIRES that the state hold an OPEN state constitutional convention every 20 years. Nothing wildly radical has ever come out of them.
@DC,
In California there is a constitutional restriction on money spent for the legislature (legislator salaries, staff, etc.). Under John Cox’s proposal the citizen legislators would be paid $1 per year.
@WZ,
New Hampshire has more eclectic representatives. At a recent hearing on NH independence, the sponsor was asked whether he pledged allegiance to the American flag. He replied that he didn’t, because his allegiance was solely to God/Jesus. Another representative just as conservative and religious was opposed because he would have to cross the border into Maine to attend his church.
The House chamber has hard wooden folding chairs. I don’t know if they have any offices or staff. They are paid $100/year with no per diem.
WZ
NH- SMALL POP
HIGH PCT OF VOTERS CAN SEE THE TOP LOCAL STATIST LOOTERS OFTEN ???–
AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY AT THE NEXT ELECTION ???
https://www.sos.nh.gov/elections/2022-election-results/2022-general-election-results
2022 ELECTION RESULTS — NH -ESP STATE REP
HOW MUCH COUGHING IN STATE H REPS – MERE 400 MOB SCENE PLUS STAFFERS/ MEDIA / PUBLIC ???
John Coz idea sounds good, at least from a financial standpoint.
Further, most towns in New Hampshire don’t even have a regular municipal government, but most voters run their towns in open town meetings, which usually meet in late winter, or early spring. There are probably open town meetings going on in New Hampshire this very weekend.
Sorry, Cox. Google can go suck a big fat…anyway, NH is $100 a year plus expenses, so maybe it would be better that way.
The independent spirit lives on in New Hampshire, in spite of having open borders with Maine, Vermont, and Massachusetts.
Some say even the border with Canada is easy to cross.
Alaska also has no income or general sales tax according to a quick search. I forgot to look up the data of the article, so maybe that changed.
If we want more New Hampshires, one thing we can try is to divide bigger states into smaller ones, getting government closer to the people. We would be better of without states that are the size of Texas or California, both of which could each be divided into four states, IMO.
California is not NH. What works in one won’t necessarily work in the other. Breaking up states is very difficult, which is why it hasn’t been done successfully since the war of Yankee aggression.
You may be right about Alaska. Alaska is also pretty cool in some ways, both climatically , and otherwise.
IMO, things cannot get worse with distributing power as much as possible, either by breaking up states, or expanding the legislature. It’s the principle behind Madison’s message in Federalist #10.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-hamas-elected-majority-palestinians-181400026.html
Why ‘Hamas Was Elected by a Majority of Palestinians’ Isn’t the Whole Truth
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NOOO ELECTIONS IN GAZA SINCE 2006– GERRYMANDER/PLURALITY HAMAS REGIME
DUE TO MORON ISRAEL REGIME — N-O-T REQUIRING 100 PCT P.R IN GAZA / WEST BANK
THUS POSSIBLE WW III STARTING IN OLDE MIDDLE EAST
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18 USA STATES WITH VOTER PETS FOR STATE CONST AMDTS — INCLU CA
In fact, devolving power from the federal government back to the states could go a long way to defusing the crazy politics of the country today.
That government governs best which governs least.
Yes, and to more local levels past that. How you would actually make that happen, in your country or ours, is less obvious. At least we got rid of the USSR, so it’s a start.
Alaska has a nice, moderate climate, at least in the portion where most Alaskans actually live. I would scarcely wish to live somewhere subtropical like California. On a recent discussion, Jim Riley characterized -10 degrees as cold. I disagreed, since I don’t find above -40 to be uncomfortably cold.
CA ASSEMBLY 2023-2024, NOV 2022 ELECTION, SUMMARY V.4
80 RIGGED CRACKED/PACKED GERRYMANDER DISTRICTS, 2 YEAR TERMS
LINE VOTES PTV ** ANTI-DEMOCRACY MINORITY RULE PCTS
1 2,477,788 **22.2 41 LOW D*WIN- 28 D*R, 11 D*D, 1 D*O, 1 D*U
2 2,392,311 21.5 + 21 HIGH D WIN- 18 DR, 3 DD
3 4,870,099 43.7 = 62 D WIN
4 1,707,905 15.3 + 18 R WIN- 12 RD, 3 RR, 2 RO, 1 RU
5 6,578,004 59.0 = 80 WIN
6 1,382,271 12.4 26 D LOSE- 12 RD, 11 D*D, 3 DD
7 2,250,846 20.2 + 49 R LOSE- 28 D*R, 18 DR, 3 RR
8 151,942 1.4 + 3 OTH LOSE- 1 D*O, 2 RO
9 3,785,059 34.0 = ALL LOSE
10 10,363,063 93.0 = ALL CAND/DIST VOTES
11 783,547 7.0 + NONVOTES [6 NO D, 16 NO R]
12 11,146,610 100.0 = TOTAL VOTES- TV
13 139,332 – TV/80 = PA 100.0
13.1 >>> NO WIN PA OVER 100.0
14 2,383,754 **21.4 41 LOW WIN- 36 D, 5 R
15 4,194,250 37.6 39 HIGH WIN- 26 D, 13 R
15.1 >>> 39 HIGH WIN MORE VOTES THAN 41 LOW WIN
16 MAXWIN/MINWIN = 139,331/35,997 = 3.87
17 MAXLOSE/MINWIN = 96,482/35,997 = 2.68
17.1 >>> 55 LOSE (19 D, 33 R, 3 OTH) MORE VOTES THAN MINWIN
18 3,887,898 **34.9 41 LOW DTS- 36 D, 5 R
19 6,475,165 58.1 39 HIGH DTS- 26 D, 13 R
19.1 >>> 39 HIGH DTS MORE VOTES THAN 41 LOW DTS
20 MAXDTV/MINDTV = 223,974/40,334 = 5.55
20.1 MAXLOSE/MINDTV = 96,482/40,334 = 2.39
21 >>> 49 LOSE (18 D, 28 R, 3 OTH) MORE VOTES THAN MINDTV
22 D AND R TOTALS NOT USEFUL DUE TO 6 NO D AND 16 NO R
23 HOW MANY INVADERS COUNTED IN 2020 CENSUS GERRYMANDER DISTS ?
24 TOTAL VOTES BY DISTRICT NOT REPORTED.
25 https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/prior-elections/
25.1 statewide-election-results/general-election-nov-8-2022/statement-vote
101 DEMOCRACY SUBVERTED AGAIN SINCE 1776 —
102 USA CONST 4-4 RFG CL, 14-1 AMDT EP CL.
103 >>>>> REMEDY- PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION—
104 TOTAL VOTES / TOTAL REPS = EQUAL VOTES TO ELECT.
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SAME MINORITY RULE ROT IN ALL 50 STATES AND USA REGIME.
CA IS PERHAPS THE WORST MINORITY RULE STATE REGIME IDUE TO THE EXTREMIST TOP 2 CA PRIMARY.
MINORITY RULE PCT WILL GET WORSE UNTIL 2032 ELECTION.
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SC PREZ PRIMARY DAY TODAY SAT 25 FEB 2024 — ONE MORE EXTREMIST PRIMARY
Breaking up states and devolution of power is a good idea, but hard to make happen when you have to ask centralized power for permission.
WZ –
CURRENT USA CONTROL ROT ESP DUE TO SCOTUS PERVERSIONS OF
3-2 ADMIRALTY AND MARITIME JURISDICTION
1-8-1 GENERAL WELFARE CL
1-8-3 INTERSTATE COMMERCE CL
7 AMDT – JURY CIVIL CASES
SEE OLDE 1787-1788 FEDERALIST
It’s hard to make happen even when you don’t.
I have already make specific proposals about dividing states and expanding both Congress and state legislatures.
IMO, the easiest of my proposals to enact would be to adopt the Wyoming Rule to expand the size of the US House of Representatives. It wouldn’t even require a constitutional amendment.
The next easiest would be to divide the larger, more populous states into smaller ones. This is more difficult because it needs the consent of the affected state legislatures, and needs to be done in a way that maintains relative political balance within the US Senate.
Even the easiest of your proposals would be extremely difficult to actually implement. The second easiest is extremely difficult to the point it has not happened since the uncivil war.
I am for anything that is fair and helps minor parties and candidates get on the ballot.
I should have said pass, not implement.
Most of the proposals that I hear of either require constitutional amendments, or outright revolution against the current constitution. Some propose secession, usually without specifying whether it would be a negotiated secession (like Brexit), or just total unilateral secession.
I think that these things would all be much less attainable, and have vastly more unintended consequence, that what I have proposed.
Nevertheless, my statement stands.
What the fuck is AZ babbling about? He said he supports Hamas?
There’s no point in trying to understand what the bot is spewing out. Just scroll past it.
HOW MANY IN A LEGISLATIVE BODY BEFORE IT BECOMES A MOB SCENE WITH TYRANT BOSSES ???
SEE USA SENATE *MAJORITY LEADER* 1 OF 100
SEE USA H REPS *SPEAKER* 1 of 435 — MOB SCENE SINCE 1873 DUE TO 13 / 14-2 AMDT EFFECTS.
FAILURE TO HAVE A RULES COMMITTEE OF ABOUT 25 MEMBERS RE PRIORITY BILLS / AMDTS / SPEECH TIME LIMITS / ETC —
MUCH MORE USE OF ELECTRONIC VOTES — ESP FOR FILL-THE-BLANK NUMBERS – TAX RATES / SPENDING — IN ADDITION TO MERE YES/NO VOTES.
It may have meant hummus.
@WZ,
The California congressional district with the most voters has 520K voters. The district with the least has about 300K. That is about 70%. Why should they each have 7 assembly members?
HOW MANY ILLEGAL INVADERS IN EACH USA REP DISTRICT — ESP COUNTED IN 2020 GERRYMANDER CENSUS ???
@WZ,
Beginning around 1900 determine the total number of representatives under what would have been referred to as the Nevada, Alaska, or Wyoming rule. Or go back further to the Delaware rule.
What do you mean, illegal invaders? Like AOC says, asylum is a right of all people. All means all!
ILLEGAL INVADERS =. FOLKS WHO ENTER A NATION-STATE WITHOUT PERMISSION —
ESP AT NON-LEGAL ENTRY PLACES. [SO-CALLED PORTS OF ENTRY — FROM OLDE SAIL SHIP DAYS].
TRY TO ENTER RUSSIA, RED CHINA, ETC FOR A-N-Y REASON WITHOUT PERMISSION AND SEE YOUR BODY IN A JAIL / GRAVE.
SEE FALL OF OLDE WEST ROMAN EMPIRE — FOR ABOUT 300 YEARS MULTI-TRIBES INVADING WEST/EAST ROMAN AREAS AND CLAIMING TO BE ESCAPING FROM OTHER ATTACKING TRIBES.
RESULT– W.R.E. DOOM 476 AD
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NEW AGE COMMIES CLAIM ALL SORTS OF *RIGHTS* [TO BE PAID FOR BY OTHER FOLKS] —-
FOOD, CLOTHING, SHELTER, HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION, ETC.
Permission? From a regime controlled by capitalist extortionists? No thanks. I’m an old school communist, not new age.
Food, clothing, shelter, health care and education are human rights.
Capitalist scum who bellyache about how “other folks” are “paying” presume that their system of money and property has a rational or legitimate basis. Prove it!
Russia hasn’t even claimed to be communist in over 30 years. China does, but clearly isn’t, for even longer than that – 1970s, I think. DPRK guards is border with the capitalist occupation regime in the south, but they are merely in ceasefire in a war. The border with China is pretty open to entry.
If North Korea is so great, why don’t you move there?
Because I have responsibilities to people who would not move – family, neighbors, friends, etc. There are also animals and plants I care for that no one else would.
MONEY AMOUNTS = RELATIVE LABOR COST TO MAKE NONCAPITAL / CAPITAL GOODS /// SERVICES.
SOME LONGER TERM COSTS TO GET TRAINED/EXPERT FOLKS — BRAIN SURGEONS, NUKE POWER STATION BUILDERS, ETC.
COMMIES- BRAINWASHED WITH ECON 60 OR LESS IQ SLOGANS SINCE OLDE 1848 STUFF — PERVERTED SUPPLY/DEMAND ECONOMICS.
*MODERN* ECON – SINCE 1750S – WATT STEAM ENGINE – TO MAKE MORE GOODS/SERVICES
— ACTUALLY WANTED BY FOLKS — NOT TOP KILLER MONSTERS– HAVING NONSTOP ARMIES AND MILITARY STUFF FOR WARS
ESP KILLERS – NAPOLEON – BISMARCK – KAISER BILL – LENIN – MUSSOLINI — HIROHITO — STALIN — HITLER – PUTIN – XI – ETC
COMMIES ESP CONFUSE SITUATION WHERE GOVT STATISTS PERMIT DEFACTO PRIVATE MONOPOLIES [AFTER ANY COPYRIGHT / PATENT EXPIRES] AND GOVT SUBSIDIES/ETC FOR SUCH DEFACTO MONOPOLIES.
ALSO WHERE GOVT STATISTS HAVE STATIST DIRECT MONOPOLIES — ESP GOVT UTILITIES, SKOOOLS, ETC.
Is there some portion of that delusional gibberish word salad you’d like my reply to, or are you trying to convince yourself?
The only way I ever expect to have representation in our government is through proportional representation. I’m really tired of the two party monopoly on government.
It should be one party. Like in the DPRK!
HOW MANY FOLKS STARVED TO DEATH (OR JUST DISAPPEARED IN THE NUTCASE TYRANT COMMIE DPRK SINCE 1945 ???
IS ANYBODY *ELECTED* IN COMMIE REGIMES OR JUST REPLACED BY MONARCH/OLIGARCH MACHINATIONS ???
JR posted:
“The California congressional district with the most voters has 520K voters. The district with the least has about 300K. That is about 70%. Why should they each have 7 assembly members?”
Just because the present isn’t ideal doesn’t mean that the principle isn’t valid.
@WZ,
What is the principle?
You can’t have party proportionality if you don’t have geographic proportionality.
Changing the composition of the General Assembly requires amendment of the California Constitution, and it is not a good idea to tie the legislature to Congress.
AZ, if you’d like a dialogue, you can ask your laughable propaganda questions without the “nutcase tyrant” nonsense. Starvation in DPRK is fake news. “Disappearing” is simply moving into areas people from hostile nations, including so called media, are not allowed to interact with for security reasons. They’re not dead or in dungeons. You’re repeating lies.
Capitalism = monarch / oligarch machinations. Bourgeois elections are useful only insofar as they allow a propaganda entryway for communist thought. In a proletarian dictatorship they are nothing but a distraction from useful work and an avenue for counterrevolutionaries to sow confusion.
DPRK has the best approach to elections, allowing the workers to demonstrate unanimous enthusiastic support for party leadership.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine
EARLIER NK FAMINE
Bullshit.
JR posted:
“What is the principle?”
Multi member districts within existing boundaries. Yes, he Congressional districts need to be better proportioned.
Yes, expanding the legislature in California would require a state Constitutional amendment. In this case, I think such a thing is needed California’s legislature is much too small, no matter what voting system is used.
The only other option is to split up California into several new states.
LAWS ANY DIFFERENT IF RATIO OF VOTES / LEGIS BODY MEMBERS IS 1,000 OR 1,000,000 ???
HOW MANY WORDS IN LONGEST/SHORTEST NATION-STATE — STATE LAW CODES [INCLUDING ADMIN REGS] ???
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EARLIER – USSR COMMIE STALIN FORCED MASS MURDER FAMINE IN UKRAINE IN 1932-1933 — KILL OFF KULAKS–
RESUMED WITH PUTIN WAR SINCE 2022 – YEAR 3 NOW.
THEN KILL OFF OLDE BOLSHEVIKS / TOP MILITARY / ETC. IN 1936-1939 PURGES.
NUTCASE DEVIL COMMIE KILLERS FROM HELL IN ACTION.
HOW MANY KILLER COMMIES LURKING NOW IN USA ???
PF –
AK — BIG OIL $$$ TAX — PAID FOR BY FOLKS IN OTHER STATES.
New Hampshire has high property taxes.
“New Hampshire has high property taxes.”
New Hampshire could be an interesting place to test Henry George’s Single Land Tax.
That’s just as bad as any other big gov tax.