On March 14, the faction of the Michigan Libertarian Party that is not recognized by the national committee asked a Michigan state trial court to settle the dispute over the identity of the true state party officers. Saliba v Chadderdon, circuit court, Cheboygan County.
In the past, this lawsuit would have been barred by old Michigan precedents that state courts will not settle intra-party disputes. However, that has changed, because on February 27, 2024, another Michigan trial court did adjudicate the intra-party dispute in the Republican Party, and enjoined one set of officers from claing to be the actual officers. That case, which is ongoing, is Pego v Karamo.
Here is the Libertarian filing. Thanks to Third Party Watch for the link.
The fake party, Richard. Call it what it is.
I’ve heard that in other well-off countries, one party can split into two, and two parties can merge into one.
Why do we make it so goddamn hard to do that in nearly every state in the US?
In most democratic countries ballot access is easy, so if a party splits in two, they can both easily apply to be on the ballot.
Not recognized by national committee = fake.
What about parties that are not associated with a national committee? Such parites are ballot-qualfied right no in Alaska, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, and Vermont. Are all those parties fake?
No. That’s different.
The local unaffiliated motorcycle club is who they are. Their crosstown unauthorized Hells Angels might have some problems though.
If your local college has some kids who start their own fraternity that has no affiliate anywhere else, that’s their business, and maybe the college will recognize them. If they claim to be the affiliate of a national frat with lots of other chapters, they better get authorization.
You get the idea.
They just had what was supposed to be a unified convention where the LNC / Mises Caucus faction lost handily, but of course they don’t accept that result. Harlos was there for it to be a ‘parliamentarian’ and they voted overwhelmingly to eject her from that role, too. Because they always have another supposed ginned-up rules violation to overturn what the party members want, no matter how flimsy.
The LNC thinks it can install whoever it wants to take over a state party and steal their ballot access with it. Though they care less about ballot access than they do rigging the national convention. No state party should want to be an affiliate of the LNC, it’s just asking for this to happen. The party’s internal elections are about as free as Putin’s Russia.
Putin’s elections are much more honest than the US 2020 election farce. Also, the LNC can’t steal what it properly owns.
The LNC is not, and has never attempted to become, a qualified political party in Michigan. State parties exist as organizations in their own right who voluntarily affiliate, or not, with a national party. The LNC is not their boss.
The LNC has, usually when it gives up on trying to impose its own fake state party officers, voted to disaffiliate state parties, actually following the bylaws procedure for that with its supermajority vote. Those state parties continue to exist. If they already had it, they continue to have their ballot access. The LNC can start a new club in the same state if they want and affiliate it, but that’s the group starting from scratch on ballot access.
See above from Facts. If they call themselves libertarians, the LNC is their boss. If they don’t want that, they should call themselves something else.
You can’t be the Jaycees, 4H club, McDonald’s, or any other organization, business, club or association of any sort and use the name of an existing organization without their permission. It’s no less true for parties. You can’t just start your own Democrats or Republicans of your state without national authorization.
It’s basic.
If an organization doesn’t own its name and exercise authority over who its affiliates are, its name is worthless.
Observer is posting nonsense. LNC is the rightful arbiter of what is or isn’t a libertarian party. To suggest otherwise is patently and self evidently illogical.
FAILURE TO HAVE PARTY JUDICIAL COMT IN LPM PARTY BYLAWS — IT GOT REPEALED BY CONLAW MORONS.
SAME FOR RELIGIONS. GOVT COURTS TAKE OVER CASES IF NO RELIGION JUDICIAL BODY.
The LNC does not own the word “libertarian.” And of course you can create you own org and call it the Republican whatever or Democratic etc. The reason you can’t qualify as a party under that label isn’t because the RNC or DNC own it, it’s because their state parties are already qualified under that ballot label and so state laws give them priority for it. But it’s because the Alaska Republican Party or the New York Democrats etc. are qualified, not the RNC or DNC. Major-party state parties can split from the national committee if they want, too. Hasn’t happened in a long time but it has happened before, and they did take their ballot lines with them.
Libertarian Truth Social is right.
And even if you wanted to structure a party such that the state affiliates are totally subordinate to the national committee and it has the power to remove and install officers whenever it wants, that’s not what the LP’s bylaws say, and it’s not what any state party signed up for in affiliating with the LNC.
The LNC doesn’t own the word libertarian, except when followed by the word party.
Common sense and logic dictate that the national organization charters its affiliates.
They don’t validly own that, either, and even if they did you can easily just call yourself Michigan Libertarians or whatever. And that IP dispute is totally irrelevant to state ballot laws, you can’t use a trademark to tell the state not to print a phrase on ballots.
NATIONAL PARTIES- PREZ CONVENTIONS
ONLY SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT PREZ/VP CANDIDATES TO CERTIFY TO STATE ELECTION OFFICERS.
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REAL DEMOCRACY BYLAWS
MAIL BALLOTS BY ALL PARTY MEMBERS FOR STATE/NATIONAL OFFICERS- LEGIS/EXEC/JUDIC
NOOO MORE MONARCHS/OLIGARCHS IN THE LP – STATES/ NATL
It’s kind of fitting that the ex-libertarian LNC is trying to use IP laws to attack free speech and free association rights. Not the only thing they’ve gone statist on.
Why is an “observer” so heavily vested in making an argument? Probably not actually an observer. The courts will reject its facially ridiculous argument.
The LNC is more libertarian than it has been in many years, possibly ever.
Among other problems, the LNC’s dubious trademark has sat around totally unenforced for decades. There are a ton of orgs that have Libertarian Party this-or-that as their name. There have been other, non-LNC state Libertarian Parties. They only decided it could work like this when they had no other leg to stand on for stealing Michigan ballot access.
Impersonation is not a free speech right.
LNC – NOW LIKE THE 1940 VICHY REGIME IN FRANCE VS DEGAULLE CROSS OF LORRAINE NATL COMT OF LIBERATION.
SEE LIBERATION OF PARIS AUG 1944.
1945 VICHY FOLKS — CHARGED WITH TREASON – SOME KILLED
Then the LNC should stop propping up people impersonating the Libertarian Party of Michigan.
There are no such problems. Past failure to enforce trademark does not make it void.
The LNC doesn’t prop up those pretending to be its Michigan affiliate. “Observer” is making no sense and posting nonsense.
Observation: I’m observing the observer totally distort what it is observing.
This dude the LNC is propping up as their fake chair has been booted twice in landslides by state conventions he accepted going into them, where actual party members showed up and voted overwhelmingly that he’s not their chair anymore. They can barely get more people to show up than the fake board members themselves to endorse them. That’s how fake the LNC’s group is.
Conventions are called for specific purpose, so they don’t always have jurisdiction over who the officers are. They also have to follow various rules about who can and can’t vote, proper procedure, etc.
We must ensure a victory for the LNC and a future for White children.
Is observer/hmmm that self declared Marxist communist who ran for LNC chair? He was from Michigan.
Attorney Curcio did a fine job of presenting and clarifying a confusing situation.
Observer is obese l.p. Convention male stripper? Also from Michigan.
Fascinating.
The fate of the nation, if not the whole world, hangs in the balance.
Harlos wasn’t booted. She resigned. You can’t vote out a parliamentarian.
Observer is obviously one of the commies involved in the fake party. He should hook up with the Green Party.
Adam Cerini on March 25, 2024 at 4:11 pm said:
I’ve heard that in other well-off countries, one party can split into two, and two parties can merge into one.
Why do we make it so goddamn hard to do that in nearly every state in the US?
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USA — A DE FACTO MONARCHY/OLIGARCHY
RIGGED BALLOT ACCESS
RIGGED MINORITY RULE GERRYMANDERS
RIGGED RESULTS = GOVTS OF/BY/FOR THE MONARCHS/OLIGARCHS
MEDIA- SUPER-MORONS LOVING THE MONARCHS/OLIGARCHS RAVE AT EACH OTHER.
MEANWHILE- ECON COLLAPSE POSSIBLE ANYTIME DUE TO GOVT DEBTS/INFLATIONS.
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PR
APPV
TOTSOP