Last year the Green Party hired a professional circulator to gather signatures for a party petition. He reported that he submitted the petition months ago. But the Secretary of State says no such petition was ever submitted. The Green Party has been trying to reach the circulator for some weeks, but he or she doesn’t communicate.
There is time to do a new petition. The deadline is in July and 3,502 signatures are needed.
Defrauded by a paid circulator? Shocking!
SEE MICH 2022 GOV VICTIMS
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ONE MORE REASON FOR ONE ELECTOR FORMS — NOM/ISSUE PETS
I also find it shocking.
Same here.
So who was it? Dondildo? Fraudankel? Or Andy Gonzalez?
It was Pankel Fraudankel. He came out of retirement to take the job. Apparently, cross border sex trafficking jobs around Eilat and Taba dried up since the October 7 Hamas attacks; Eilat is a ghost town and the border is crawling with security.
Fraudankel has been forced to come back to the States and resort to signature forging again (he tried unsuccessfully to immigrate to Armenia with a fraudulent story about hot leads about the location of Noahs ark that he received in Eilat, but was denied due to his US felony conviction. Also, his Armenian relatives made clear they wanted nothing to do with him).
Pankel used his communist connections to land the Green Party gig and persuaded the gullible libtards to trust him completely, including the hand in to the state, with absolutely zero checks on him, other than checks to his company, Knights of the Round Table Professional Autograph Collectors Ltd. (AKA Knights of the Round Table PAC).
He arrived in South Dakota with full intent to assemble a crew of signature forgers at the motel right near the greyhound bus station, doubling as a sex and drug trafficking operation, with high hopes of branching out to pick pocketing, three card Monte, blackmail, and various other profit streams.
Unfortunately, Fraudankel forgot that he had been banned at the motel next to the bus station in Sioux Falls for trashing his room there years earlier and thus his plan was defeated.
He spent the next month without any sleep or breaks spun on meth booty bumps at the adult video arcade preview booths a short walk from there and then spent a week sleeping in a garbage dumpster until the garbage truck woke him up.
He then got paid, and it’s not yet clear what happened after that.
HOW MANY BAN TROLL MORONS WORKING AS WRITERS FOR HOLLYWOOD JUNK TV SHOWS ???
AZ is a writer for Hollywood junk TV shows?
I’m the actual owner of Knights of the Round Table PAC. Pankel Fraudankel has not been actively involved with our company in years. We had nothing to do with South Dakota any time recently. Word has it that it was done by some Mexican or Italian guy.
The number of signatures per page wouldn’t have mattered since there were zero signatures on zero pages. But if it had, one signature per page forms only make it harder to do it the right way, and easier to get away with fraud and forgery since you can shuffle pages to make handwriting patterns harder to detect. Not that I or anyone in my company would know anything about forgery or fraud, of course.
They kill trees though. And no wonder TV shows are so bad now if they’re getting written by bots. I guess bots can’t go on strike though.
The appearance of defrauding is erroneous. Actually, my associates and me discovered that zero signature forms are even better at preventing fraud than one signature forms. They are in fact 100% guaranteed to have zero fraudulent signatures.
This revolutionary discovery was approved by election officials my associates consulted in Pierre, SD. They later informed us the employee who told us that must have been mistaken. This malfeasance is completely on the election officials, not myself and my partners.
Were you involved with the Nadezhdin petitions in Russia?
TDS is clearly to blame. As usual, the cure is DJT.
The stock chart for DJT is looking a lot better than the TDS stock chart.
Once again, if candidates just paid outright for ballot positions with fees, there would be no fraudulent nomination signatures.
Is Knights of the Round Table PAC involved with the Kennedy campaign, given the mutual connections to Camelot?
Our sister PAC, Ladies of the Camel Toe, is working closely with Nicole ShanaHo.
Walter Ziobro on March 26, 2024 at 9:54 am said:
Once again, if candidates just paid outright for ballot positions with fees, there would be no fraudulent nomination signatures.
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100% agree.
Petitions for ballot access are meant to show public support. Candidates paying filing fees does not show public support. Anyone with enough money can pay a filing fee.
Petitions don’t really show public support. They’re de facto ballot fees, but with the added wrinkle of wasting a lot of time and lots of technicalities which make ballot access far less certain than a straightforward fee.
Eric Dondero, also known as Eric Dondero-Rittberg, has not worked any petitions since 2013. I heard that he got into begging for money for charities for military veterans and then later got into selling Donald Trump merchandise.
I have heard nothing about him in years.
The fact that people sign a petition shows a lot more public support than does paying a filing fee. People do not have to hire paid petition signature gatherers. If it is a candidate on a lot of these things they can collect signatures themselves or have volunteers do it. Reality is that most people are too lazy to gather petition signatures.
Should people pay filing fees to place ballot initiatives, referendums and recalls on the ballot instead of gathering petition signatures? I would say no because paying a filing fee does not show public support.
I don’t support initiative and referendum. I don’t see a problem with ballot access fees for recalls. Signatures don’t really show public support in practice. That’s a nice theory, but not how it works in the real world.
Selling Trump merchandise is lucrative. God bless the entrepreneurial Trump supporters who sell Trump merch. And God bless and protect President Trump and return him to his rightful office to save America.
Filing fees do not show public support at all. Anybody who has the money to afford it can easily pay a filing fee.
Also, how should filing fees be determined?
How much it costs to conduct a petition drive is in part determined by public support. Things with lots of public support gets lots of volunteer signatures and are easier to get signed than are things with less public support, so things with less public support tend to have to pay more money to conduct a petition drive.
Anyone who has enough money they are willing to spend can get any issue or candidate on the ballot, regardless of levels of public support. Very few issues or candidates get more than a trivial percentage of signatures from volunteers unless the requirements are unusually low.
How much fees should be isn’t an exact science, any more than how many signatures are needed. That’s up to each state legislature to determine.
The whole song and dance would be unnecessary with a vote by party standing count.
They needed Thomas W. Jones’s expertise.
It’s very sad that Mr. Jones passed away a couple of years ago. He could have showed the Greens the path of the Brown passage.
It could cost close to zero dollars to gather petition signatures if enough people volunteer to gather signatures. Pumping lots of money into petition drives increases the odds that a petition will qualify for the ballot, but it does not gaurantee it.
Here’s an example. In 2022 in California there was a ballot initiative petition sponsored by multiple American Indian casinos to allow them to get sports betting, duce game and roulette wheels. They paid lots of money to paid petition circulators, yet the petition still failed to get on the ballot.
Paying a filing fee means that any person or group who gas the money can buy their way onto the ballot without showing public support, and it also makes it more difficult for grass roots groups who have lots of volunteers but little money to get on the ballot.
I disagree.
Enough people volunteering is a pipe dream. Pumping lots of money pretty much guarantees an issue qualifies. Your example, Idk. Maybe they just needed to pay even more.
Depending on the level of fee, it can make it easier for grass roots groups. For example, in Florida candidates can qualify through signatures or fees, and most choose fees. The ones who try to qualify with signatures don’t make it.
Offering both options is a good idea.
Sometimes lots of signatures come from volunteers. It depends upon the campaign. The Recall Gavin Newsom petition was mostly done by volunteers.
That’s highly unusual, from what I understand. I know recall Davis, who was actually successfully recalled unlike Newsome, was not mostly collected by volunteers.
Regardless of wether they measure public support, mass volunteer petitions are a measure of organizational strength.
Expensive paid petitions are a measure of capital and will to invest in a campaign.
Don’t these qualities also distinguish “serious” candidates from “frivolous” candidates?
Yes and no. It’s complicated.
Candidates should pay a modest filing fee ($10?) and demonstrated support from 10 individual voters. If more than 10 candidates file for an office, open up an extended period for demonstrated support. Top 10 qualify for the ballot.
Why should it be limited? The 2003 California recall had a triple digit number, and voters managed.
Has everyone forgot what the purpose of this website is? To get candidates on the ballot. Let the vote cast for them afterwards determine percentage of public support. It’s comparable to the old saying, “What came first. The chicken or the egg”.
The chicken, unless your a POS Darwinist.
HOW SOON BEFORE ONLY X HIGHEST BIDDERS ON BALLOTS ???
HOW MANY ROMAN EMPERORS DUE TO BRIBES ???
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NOM PETS DUE TO SCOTUS OP IN 1970S — WANNABEE CANDIDATE TOO POOR TO PAY *HIGH* NOM FEE.
If I did anything in Russia recently, it would be covered by client confidentiality and NDAs. I can tell you that Russia is the home of Top One and a Top Zero. Putin is the Top One choice and I’m a big Top Zero guy.
Unless you are in a position to eliminate ballot access laws I seriously doubt that will happen. There are a lot of jurisdictions which have petition signature gathering and/or filing fee requirements for Democrat and Republican party candidates to get on primary ballots. If the Democrats and Republicans are not going to repeal these requirements on themselves I doubt they will do it for minor party and independent candidates.
Eliminating ballot access laws would not help minor party and imdependent candidates as much as some people assume it would. It would create very crowded fields of people running in which most candidates get lost in the shuffle, plus if there are no ballot access laws parties would lose control over who their candidates are and there could be say 10 candidates all claiming to be the Libertarian Party candidate for President, and most of the public will not know which of those 10 candidates is the one which was nominated at the Libertarian National Convention.
There are also ballot access laws for ballot initiatives, referendums and recalls. I do not see any other rational or fair manner for these to be placed om ballots by citizens other than by gathering petition signatures.
Fees are rational.