On May 1, a new lawsuit was filed in federal court against the Tennessee law that provdes that signs must be polsted at polling places on primary day, warning that only bona fide party members may choose a partisan primary ballot. Lawson v Hargett, m.d., 3:24cv-538.
Tennessee does not have registration by party.
An earlier lawsuit, Ashe v Hargett, was dismissed because the judge felt none of the plaintiffs had standing. The new lawsuit has different plaintiffs who have a stronger claim to standing.
BONA FIDE — VIA BLOOD OATHS ???
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WHAT STATE HAS THE MOST STONE AGE ELECTION SYSTEM ???
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/nancy-kaffer/2024/05/02/adam-hollier-nominating-petition-signatures-shri-thanedar/73530918007/
MICH -FORGED NOM PET SIGS
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ONE VOTER NOM PET SIG FORMS
How do you forge eating pets? Sounds retarded.
The sign is hopelessly vague. The law will be overturned.
@Michigan forgery
It was, and I hate to say this, only 1,500 signatures that were collected. Also, the opponent alleges that 1/5 of the signatures have the wrong home address, but there’s just no way that many people messed up.
Sure there is. People move around. Especially college students and people in poor neighborhoods, who are also the likeliest people to sign petitions.
I think the person with the broken caps lock meant nomination petition, not eating pets LOL. One page forms make fraud easier not harder.
With one page forms you just shuffle the pages and the same handwriting is way less likely to get spotted. So you don’t even have to round table. Round table is where several people work together to forge to disguise handwriting.
It’s a bot, not a person with a broken caps lock.
@Former Petitioner
OK, so maybe it’s not people writing down the wrong address, it’s the people reviewing the signatures not having up-to-date records? Living in a different district is a separate issue.
It’s not that they don’t have up to date records. It’s that people don’t update their voter registration every time they move, don’t remember which address they registered at, and a lot of petitioners are going fast trying to catch more people and don’t ask people if they moved etc because that just gets them confused.
A lot of students and younger / poorer people have moved within the past year any given year, many more than once. They don’t necessarily stay at the same place every night. Maybe they stay with different friends and family like couch surf, move between motels and shelters and apartments, student housing and so on.
Some people do this a lot and actually don’t remember their address but they put down what they think it is. Some people think nobody will check their address so they put down the wrong one because they don’t want junk mail or anybody coming to their door etc.
It’s not necessarily fraud, at all. It just depends on where you go to collect signatures and how good and or experienced you are at getting people to put down the correct address while trying to stop more people.
I just glanced at the article and it sounds like one petitioner did commit fraud. The rest of it is the opposition trying to make hay of normal things that happen during signature collection to make it sound like the fraud was worse and more prevalent than it was.
Actual fraud is rare. Getting people who are from the wrong area, wrong address, not actually registered, and duplicates, or not filling out the witness statement correctly are common.
It can be unintentional error by inexperienced petitioners who don’t realize how hard getting valid signatures of district voters who only signed once can be. Or calculated carelessness because volume can more than make up for getting pay docked for validity.
Or deliberate carelessness because petitioners figure out that their validity is not actually being checked by who Ever is paying them. The last one is fraud against the client, but not against the state like actually falsifying signatures.
It can be volunteers, which usually fall in the inexperienced category.
Wow, I can’t believe I wrote that much. I could have just said it’s complicated.
You can even have well off people put down the wrong address by mistake. They’ll put down their business address or po box. They may have moved recently and not updated their registration, but put their new address because they don’t realize they need to put their old one.
Maybe they have a temporary work address and put that by mistake. Maybe they put the old address like they’re supposed to but then update it before the petition is checked by the state.
I could keep going. Yeah it’s complicated.
And finally, yes, it’s possible that the officials have a not up to date database. That used to be common with less frequent data sharing between states and counties. Nowadays that part is unlikely.
But, that’s not the validity check petitioners worry about, if they’re experienced enough to worry about a validity check at all. A petition company or client validity check is a lot more likely to have an out of data voter file. Understandably, anyone collecting signatures only or primarily for pay cares about that check, not the state or county’s.
That’s if you have a petition company or candidate experienced enough to know they need to precheck validity. A campaign is probably not an experienced client. They may just trust whatever their volunteers and or people they hire bring in. I already explained how everyone from the people signing to the people collecting signatures can make mistakes which are either honest or not so honest to varying degree but still short of actually forging anything.
Complicated is complicated, LOL.
Out of date, not data. I really need to stop.
Former petitioner, are you gay? Retarded? On drugs? What do you do for work now? Why are you a former petitioner, not current; what made you change careers? Do you even have a job now at all?
I’m bisexual, top. Never had an iq test – draw your own conclusions. I walked and took city buses, not school buses, to school. Sometimes I’m on drugs. Sometimes they are prescribed by my doctor. Sometimes they’re not. Sometimes I take too much or too often or the wrong medicine or mix things that shouldn’t be mixed. Sometimes I forget to take my meds. All of these are common in a society so filled with drugs, legal and illegal, as ours is.
I’m a former petitioner because there is a lot of BS in the petition business – clients and companies which don’t pay at all, don’t pay on time, or short the pay; petitioners who jump in front of each other out of unsportsmanlike financial competition; constant battles over rights to petition in public; apathetic and hostile general public; weather variation; being on the road and missing family.
It gets to you after a while. For me, I got fed up when a lot of overblown travel and public interaction restrictions got thrown on top of all the normal B.S. I was already sick of during the so called pandemic. My girlfriend was stuck at her house a lot due to her work situation and didn’t want to be completely physically alone that much.
I currently manage a portfolio of investments for myself, family, and friends. We invest in crypto, stocks, business startups, real estate, precious metals, and private loans with a few partners. We’re not really a public business. Our clients are friends, family and neighbors.
@AZ,
From the FreeP article, the reporter called the number listed for one of Hollier circulators.
“When I called the number listed on the Groundmind website, the man who answered said he was not Thomas, then hung up after I explained why I was calling.”
Michigan should get rid of partisan primaries and qualification petitions. Instead, qualification should be by a small number of voters who show up at county seat(s). With a number like 50 you can get sincere supporters, rather than strangers accosted by a paid circulator in a parking lot.