On April 1, Laura Culp, the Woodward County, Oklahoma, Assessor, filed to run for her first full term as a Libertarian candidate. She has been the County Assessor since last year, when the previous incumbent retired and Culp was appointed to fill the vacancy. Culp is a registered Libertarian, so she will be on the November ballot as the Libertarian nominee. The only other person who filed for County Assessor is a Democrat, Tiffany Jobe.
The “Libertarian Party” is neither.
Does that statement in any way change based on which faction(s) control it at any given moment?
No. One faction might be marginally more libertarian than another (at least in theory). Another might present a less obviously Potemkin Villagesque facsimile of a bona fide electoral political party within the current USA System. But none of them come close to being the real thing on either scale.
congratulations to Laura Culp and Woodward County voters!
Could an actually libertarian party exist, especially sustainably, within such a system?
Could it ever approach being an electorally viable party while remaining libertarian ideologically?
Why or why not?
Why has the so called Libertarian Party failed so miserably and so consistently in both respects over the course of more than 50 years?
Might any tweaks to it, or some new such party, fix that?
Would any such experiment(s) be worthwhile to try, or would they be in the very best case a waste of time and effort , and in the worst an active harm to their ostensible purpose?
George Whitfield:
Why and for what? Would a rose by any other name not still have the same thorns and still smell like doo doo?
Also, what exactly did the Woodward County voters do to deserve congratulations?
Cool!
@Q
1. Could an actually libertarian party exist, especially sustainably, within such a system?
A: No.
2. Could it ever approach being an electorally viable party while remaining libertarian ideologically?
A: Also no.
Q:Why or why not?
A; I could answer, but I’ll have to do it when time allows later. I can’t think of a way to make the answer succinct enough yet, and I don’t have the energy to ramble at length to an audience of, most likely, one person at this time, or to make it nearly as coherent as I’d like.
Q: Why has the so called Libertarian Party failed so miserably and so consistently in both respects over the course of more than 50 years?
A: same response as previous question. I’ll have to get back when I’m less tired, if I’ll find time st such a point.
Q: Might any tweaks to it, or some new such party, fix that?
A: no.
Q: Would any such experiment(s) be worthwhile to try, or would they be in the very best case a waste of time and effort , and in the worst an active harm to their ostensible purpose?
A: even if they were merely a waste of time and effort they would do harm to their ostensible purpose, but their harm is unlikely to be merely limited in such a way. There is nothing worthwhile about any further such experiments.
As for Mr. Whitfield, you must understand that he values form – specifically, the adoption of the “Libertarian Party” brand – over substance. I could put that far less kindly, but at the moment I’d rather not.
Term limits ny:
Lukewarm seems more accurate. But, if you have a sufficiently high fever, lukewarm might come off as cool.
HG, would that require a high enough fever to cause delirium and or fever dreams ?
Q, per Albert Einstein, Albert Brooks (originally also Albert Einstein), Prince Albert and the rest of the inbred royal families of Europe, George RR Martin’s Targaryens, etc:
It’s all relative.
Or as Donald Trump, or maybe someone else, but I think it was maybe probably Donald Trump, said:
One man’s Mede is another man’s Persian, just as one man’s meat is another man’s poison.
And I ran, I ran so far away…I couldn’t get away.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. HG.
Whitfield is a fucking tard. A communist could get elected as a “Libertarian” and he’d congratulate them.
Rob, why are you so rude? Why the poor attitude, dude?
Did Mr. Whitfield pee in your mead? Did honey turn to bitter wheat?
Did it taste like Brett Michaels
or your cousin or brother?
Did he make you smoke rocks of love and cry like a dove?
Why do we scream at each other?
Did you run all night and day, but couldn’t get away, with your young flock of seagulls?
Wait, let me change the skipping record; are you a fan of the Eagles?
“One faction might be marginally more libertarian than another…”
Or can it?
Mirror, mirror on my balls; which one is the most libertarian of all? The right one or the left one? This one or that one…?
Defining perfect libertarianism or “real” libertarianism is a trap. It’s one of the endless loops they get caught in while the walls and guard towers rise up around us brick by brick. To be honest, they aren’t even good for a laugh any longer. Just sad.
“A communist could get elected as a “Libertarian” …”
Where, how, and to what?
IW:
Fair question(s).
Idk.
To what: Biggest Loser?
How: Rigged election?
Where: In your underwear?
Derka burqa Mohammed jihad!
Q, I think Rob’s point is that if party cadre members of the Worker’s party of the DPRK snuck into the U.S. under, say, Baaaaraq Insane Osama or Quisling Cho Bai-Din, and ran for office as Libertarians, GW would praise them like one might back in Pyongyang if one wants to stay alive and outside the not so secret prison camp zones.
Woodward County has a population of about 20k. Politically it tends to be heavily Republican. Donald Trump got well over 80% of the official presidential vote count in the
general election all three times. The last Demonrat to win there for POTUS was FDR in 1932 and 1936. Woodrow Wilson also won a narrow plurality victory as a sitting president with 38.65% in 1916, vs the Republican challenger’s 37.35% and 24% for minor party/parties/independent(s).
Otherwise, it has always gone Republican, and hasn’t been close since Goldwater beat LBJ there by 3094 votes to 2934, if you consider that close.
Voter registration runs about 70% Republican, 15% demonRat, 15% other. There are a bit under 11k registered as of the last number i found in a very quick search (the numbers were somewhat outdated but the total number voting in POTUS elections has been hovering around 7k for quite a while now).
Agriculture and cattle production have been very important to the county income since before statehood. Grains, especially wheat, were the largest crop. However, broomcorn grew abundantly. Broom factories operated in Woodward and Mooreland. Castor beans, grown during World War I, were processed into castor oil, which was used as a lubricant for aircraft engines.
Extractive industries became relatively more important during the 1920s, while agriculture began to decline. Mineral production included salt, bentonite and petroleum. Natural gas production began in 1956. In 1975, a plant was built near Woodward to extract iodine from oil field brine. It soon supplied 14% of the nation’s supply of the chemical.
The first POTUS election there was in 1908; Taft won with a plurality of 48.88% (1,614 votes) to 1,308 (39.61%) for William Jennings Bryan. 380 votes (11.51%) were cast for other candidate(s). I’m too lazy to look up whether all of those were for Socialist Eugene Debs or the breakdown of other others, if any.
The population of the county hasn’t changed much since statehood, but a much larger percentage of the population now lives in town – a majority of over 12k are now in the town of Woodward, which is about 95% urbanized areas and only a few rural properties included within town boundaries just to keep things lively.
Back in 1910 the population was about 17k and has fluctuated slightly both up and down in different censi since then. The biggest growth spurt was in the 1970s, but the entire time the range has been between just under 14k and a peak of slightly above 21k in 1980.
It’s overwhelmingly White and relatively poor to blue collar.
The town of Woodward, however, grew from 2,696 in 1910 to a high of 13,781 in the census of 1980, remaining in the lower end of the 5 digit range since then.
Woke pedoes:
That’s fascinating, I’m sure, but can you tell me anything we don’t know about Laura Culp? So far we’ve learnt that there’s no Republican running for the office in a largely Republican county, that she was appointed to the job last year, and that she’s a registered libertarian, but nothing really about her, her background, views, opponent, etc.
What precisely do county assessors do in counties of that population range in Oklahoma? Is it a highly sought position? Part time or full time? Any office staff? Is there a physical office? Room or cubicle in a county building? Work from home position? About how much is the county budget per annum and what are it’s rough breakdowns by category? How much, if anything, is allocated to the assessor’s office, and or to the assessor him or herself?
Does the position pay anything at all, or is it more of a stepping stone or reputation building type of job, or preretiree placeholder given the last incumbent retired without finishing a term? What was the cause of midterm retirement – they finally found someone else to take the job, health issues, etc?
How long was the last incumbent in office? Why did he or she or whoever else appoint Mrs. or Miss Culp? Was there anyone else interested in the position at the time of the aforementioned retirement?
Etc.
Q
See
https://woodward.okcounties.org/offices/assessor
According to Mr. Winger above, she’s been in office since last year. According to the county website, since December 2009.
And:
County Assessor Duties
Appraises and assesses the real and personal property for ad valorem taxation
Delivers the tax roll to the County Treasurer for collection
Checks all exemptions
Undergoes compliance check by the Oklahoma Tax Commission
Staff
Jack McClung
Laura Culp
Ethan Scott
Isnelia Lares
____
According to
https://www.qpublic.net/ok/woodward/
Laura Culp is honored to serve as your acting County Assessor. A lifelong resident of Woodward, Laura has deep roots in the community where she was born and raised alongside her family. With 10 years of dedicated experience in the Assessor’s Office, she is passionate about providing fair and transparent service to every taxpayer.Laura is committed to supporting her staff and serving the public with integrity. When she’s not in the office, she loves spending quality time with her family and relaxing at home with her Russian Blue cat, Grey.
The only reason Ms. Culp is able to run under the Libertarian party label is that hundreds of thousands of dollars been paid in ballot access taxes to the State of Oklahoma which does not even allow write-in voting.
If none the three Libertarians who have filed for state-wide office in 2028 do not meet the quota of 2.5% of the vote then voters will lose any opportunity to elect Libertarians after 2028. IOW, alternate party candidates are automatically liquidated by the two incumbent parties regardless of candidate qualifications or future voter true preferences.
What fascist police state?
Aha! I knew she was a communist! Even her cat is RUSSIAN. WHY does this chick have a Russian pussy ??? She’s probably a deep cover spy! I rest my case!
Mr. Robinson, would you please provide your definition of fascist? Does fascism predate Mussolini? What distinguishes it from other forms of authoritarianism and totalitarianism? Are all police States fascist? What makes your state fascist, if anything?
I’ve read that Mussolini and FDR admired each other’s progressive reforms back in the 1930s. I don’t remember where I read that at the moment. Would you please look into that for me and let me know what you think?
Rob’s twin brother,
It was probably a misprint. They must have meant Prussian Blue, as in the waycist girl band named after Zyklon B and their baby blue eyes by their fashy California momager.
After all DFR says his state is fascist, and fascist states don’t put communists in office, they put them in secret prisons and in front of firing squads (for being even more progressively cancerous than the fascists themselves).
DFR lives there, so he must know what he’s talking about. Right?
Is the cat Blue or Grey? This is a matter of great importance to those of us from the Grey States! Contrary to the maps drawn after the fact by the Blue propagandists, Oklahoma was a Grey territory, not a Blue one. So was the area encompassing Arizona and New Mexico today, as well as the portion of Nevada where the bulk of its present day population now lives (Las Vegas area and environs).
Kansas was divided even before the War for Southern Independence (aka War of Yankee Aggression). Indeed, Kansas actually had a real civil war, which preceded the conflict that the victorious Yankee propagandists have branded as such even though it was no more of a civil war than was the American Revolution or any war of or for independence / secession anywhere ever.
News that Richard Winger doesn’t want you to know: https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/68/20/2395d862457db75151da69368805/lhugh-complaintfiled.pdf
US,
Interesting question.
Some of the blew states as well as some territories still had de jure legal chattel slavery long after Appomattox and Juneteenth – into 1866 and even 1867 in the Blew States of Delaware and New Jersey, in the Indian, Oklahoma, Arizona and New Mexico territories, and in the modern day states of Alaska and Hawaii before they entered the US.
The Union states of Delaware and NJ kept slavery legal of all the States then already admitted to the union. The Indian tribes in part of what is now Oklahoma kept negroes as slaves until 1867. Peonage in New Mexico persisted long after it was legally abolished. Many other forms of slavery, both legal and illegal, exist both in the US and throughout the world to the present day.
While preserving slavery was listed by Southern states as their chief reason for secession, abolishing it didn’t become a war aim of the north even with the emancipation proclamation, which didn’t apply in Union slave states or in DC.
Even had abolishing slavery been the war goal of the north, rather than imperialism, colonialism, and maintenance of tariff revenue, a far less costly and less destructive way to do it would have been to compensate slave owners for forced emancipation.
EVERY country in the Americas did it that way, all but one without war, during the 19th century, as did most European nations outside of their imperial colonies.
The some other exception in the western hemisphere was Haiti, where the entire White population was massacred during a slave rebellion; Haiti has been a basket case ever since.
Today, you can see the dividing line between Haiti and the Dominican Republic from space – Haiti is the deforested part, as they have burnt their trees for fuel and moved on to burning people – much like you can see the dividing line of Korea at night – the South is artificially lit while the North is not.
Q: What would be a porn parody of this site’s comments?
A: Retard fetish porn.
While courts have held that the constitutional prohibition of ex post facto laws applies only to criminal law and not civil law or confiscation of property, nothing in the text or debates on adoption indicates any such consensus.
That would have rendered any uncompensated confiscation of then legal property by ex post facto law illegal, regardless of what we think of the morality of that legality today or what a minority of folks thought of it at the time.
Likewise, today some folks believe animal rights ought to extend to not being owned. Should that ever become the prevailing social view, shouldn’t ranchers, farmers, zookepers and others who rely on the human ownership of other animal species for their livelihood, as well as pet owners, be compensated for the emancipation of their animals?
Secession was clearly legal both under the logic of the declaration of independence and under the logic of the 9th and 10th amendments, debates in the legislatures of some states such as Virginia and Texas on adopting the constitution and or entering the Union, debates on the text and adoption of said constitution in general – see Antifedralist papers as well as federal – etc.
While maintaining slavery wasn’t used as an argument by the colonial secessionist in their declaration of secession during the first American Revolution of British colonies, slavery in Britain itself was abolished just before the revolution began – in the early 1770s. Certainly the possibility the ban could soon extend to the colonies wouldn’t have escaped the attention of southern and mid Atlantic colonial slaveowning elites and middle classes.
Had the Southern states succeeded in seceding, they couldn’t have maintained their system of legal chattel slavery for much longer anyway, given that the European nations they sought unfettered access to the market for cotton in were increasingly uncomfortable with trading with them for that very reason.
Indeed, that was why European nations didn’t come to their aid during the war, even though many would have liked to see the United States broken in half and southern cotton without heavy tariffs.
Far from being racial egalitarians, many abolitionists were hardcore White supremacists who wanted to keep all negroes, slave or free, out of the Western territories that were on their way to statehood.
Many wanted all negroes forcibly deported to Africa after emancipation, including Lincoln himself. Before the war, Lincoln also floated the idea of enshrining slavery in the federal constitution permanently to keep the Southern states from secession, but their leaders didn’t trust him to keep his word or be able to deliver.
After the war, the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments were improperly adopted by States under federal military occupation which had not been properly readmitted.
Nothing about the federal government could be considered remotely legitimate since that time, even if it could before – and there are many reasons it couldn’t well before that even under its own terms .
D. Frank Robinson STILL hasn’t said anything about Bill Redpath getting his opponent thrown off the ballot.
Of course not. Like most commenters he’s out to push an agenda through repetition, not to learn anything through reasoned discussion.
It’s just a bunch of cut and paste stuff he posts all over the place.
No way!! People really do that?! For Real for real ?? Like, OMG !!
The Libertarian Party has nominated communists in the past. Chase Oliver comes to mind immediately.
Did he get elected to something? I must of mist it.
This guy?
https://seminoles.com/sports/football/roster/chase-oliver/620
No way! FSU?! FU FSU!
I Went to FSP NOT FSU!
That’s Florida State Penitentiary y’all!
F FSU!
Homeslice is way too young. It says he graduated high school in 2019. No way I can vote for him. I can be pretty open minded about age, whether it’s another term for Trump or a term for vpotus JD Vance who’s half his age. But this Chase Oliver kid isn’t even constitutional. Like, WTF?
AND he wasn’t even like a great player or anything. It says he worked out with the scout team in college. Did he graduated? I’m not seeing going pro in his future. Has he done anything that’s even really notable since high school to be seeking statewide and federal office ???
Nothing against the youngster I hope he goes on to achieve great things and life and learns more better views through adulting but there ain’t no way you can tell me he earned or is ready for that kind of responsibility right now.
That’s not him. I’m pretty sure he’s from Georgia not Florida. So it’s gotta be this guy.
https://tinyurl.com/23vydsuh
But your right way 2 young. Born in 2002. Smh.
https://tinyurl.com/23vydsuh
There was an Oliver R. Chase who founded Necco. This thing won’t let me post the link but y’all can look him up. He was a very sweet candyman.
He was born in England in 1821 so he wasn’t a natural born citizen but then neither was POTUS 44 Baaaaaaaraq Hussein Osama.
And he’s dead since 1902 so there’s that. But then so is Retard and Troll Moron 2024 coendorsee Tom Jones, who was not the famous Welsh singer but just some Meshuggeneh old dude. So being dead is not necessarily a problem either.
Happy Passover, boys, girl’s and goyim, Shabbat shalom and happy Easter
“POTUS 44 Baaaaaaaraq Hussein Osama.”
Why is it that we style his name so?
Thank you for asking, young man.
The reason that he we call him that is that he was demonically conceived by Saddam Hussein and some other ragheaded demon named Osama – thank you for asking again, young man; no, it was not Osama Bin-Laden, for he was far too young then, but a different Osama – tag teaming and double penetrating a sheep (EWE!).
AND yes young man, thank you for asking again. No, normally humans can not impregnate sheep but we know that Mary, a barely teenage virgin, was impregnated by Hashem to conceive the Meshiach Yeshua, so why should we doubt that the fallen angel Lucifer can work there dark magic and perform such miracles or antimiracles as well
Thank you for asking again, you little punk kid. Was Baaaaraq not born of a woman? Yes, yes he was. He was transplanted as a fetus into her womb by the evil Satanic witch doctor’s.
And you ask again what of his delivery and birth certificate?
The latter is quite obviously a forgery whereas the first was a satanic demonic ceremony by a black Negro African witch doctor on top of a volcano in deepest darkest most evilest Africa. Ooga Booga Ooga Booga! Ooga Booga Ooga Booga!
It is time to get ready for church but we will continue our Seder lessons later!
Remember, Yeshua has risen yet again! All praises to Him!
Cool story, bro.
Have y’all ever played 52 pick up?