Five Democratic state representatives in Hawaii have introduced HB 1116. It waives the standard rule for privacy, concerning birth certificates, for individuals of “civic prominence.” The bill defines these such a person as “a person who is a candidate for, or elected to, a public office that requires the person to be a United States citizen, either natural born or naturalized, to hold the public office for which they are a candidate or to which they have been elected.” The fee for this birth certificate would be $100. Thanks to Bill Van Allen for this news.
Did Hell freeze over?
GREAT NEWS!
I’ve read HB 1116 and I like it. It will begin to fix the problem. More states need the same laws.
Good job “birthers” and Constitutionalists for pressing the issue.
We may just win our fight to defend the US Constitution from tyranny!
Plan a party for the day Obama’s truth sees the light of day.
NBC = at birth allegiance to a nation-state regime — based on the father’s nation-state status the second that the kid is born — whereever the kid is born.
If the birth certificate does NOT show such father status, then it is a piece of junk toilet paper.
NO Prez/CIC with ANY foreign nation-state connection.
See Blackstone’s Commentaries about British subjects.
Of course, history and constitutional law means absolutely nothing to party hack lawless MORONS.
When will Civil WAR II begin ???
Demo Rep: lots of horseshit in what you wrote.
The birth certificate must not show either Father’s or Mother’s status, only their names and DOB. Alone the fact that he was born on american soil makes him AUTOMATICALLY an american citizen. If you don’t like it, feel free to fuck yourself, for that is what the constitution that idiot types like you just love to say they revere says. Go read the 14th amendment.
It is morons like you who would love to have a civil war. It is truly unamerican of you. SPIT.
Now how about legislation in all fifty states to bring back the stocks and the pillory for candidates and elected officials who obstruct their birth records.
The reason that Hawaii has introduced this proposed law is that the original birth certificate in the files says exactly what the THREE Republican officials said, that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
The Qualifications for the US Executive Office V2.0:
by GNance
1. We need to tighten up the vetting process of vice/presidential and line of succession, candidates to insure they are:
a. conceived of two lawfully married parents:
i. the parents were legally married at the date/time of birth
ii. the child/candidate was born in the USA
b. the candidate is a legitimate child, not produced by:
i. artificial insemination,
ii. test-tube,
iii. Petri dish, or
iv. surrogate mother, or
v. genetic-splicing
c. the candidate is not a stepchild or adopted, but a direct blood descendant of two US citizens who at the date/time of birth were:
i. two US Citizens (per the Fourteenth Amendment), or
ii. two US Natural Born Citizens, or
iii. a US Citizen (per the Fourteenth Amendment), married to a US Natural Born Citizen (per 8 USC 140?)
d. the candidate is 35 years old, and
e. the candidate has lived in the USA for the last consecutive 14 years, prior to January 1, of the election year.
Published at: http://www.scribd.com/silverbull8
# 4 subject to the jurisdiction thereof — 14th Amdt, Sec. 1
Sorry – FOREIGN nation-state fathers having kids physically born in the U.S.A. does NOT make such kids U.S.A. citizens.
foreign govt officials, business folks, tourists, students and especially ILLEGAL immigrants aka invaders.
Vice versa for U.S.A. fathers having any of their kids physically in foreign areas or on, over or under the High Seas — kids are U.S.A. citizens.
Gee – What was the NATION-STATE status of Obama’s father / papa / daddy the second that Obama was born — WHERE EVER Obama was born ???
So sad to see the many politically correct constitutional law MORONS on this list — due to the ROT since 1929 in all governments – Fed, State and local.
If Barack H Obama was born in the US, then his father was a non-immigrant alien(8USC1101(a)(15)(F)(i)), like a consul (8USC1101(a)(15)(A)(i)), so he is a US born dual-citizen, not a Natural Born US citizen, and thus not eligible to serve as a US President.
If Barack H Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, then per 8USC1405, and the British Nationality Act of 1948 he was born a US born dual-citizen.
Timeline of Barack H Obama II 1961 to 1982
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47290773/Timeline-Barack-h-Obama-II-1961-to-1982
I think we’re beyond the point where much can be done within the boundaries of electoral politics.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/01/civilization-requires-patriarchy.html
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“It is always dangerous to draw too precise parallels between one historical period and another; and among the most misleading of such parallels are those which have been drawn between our own age in Europe and North America and the epoch in which the Roman empire eclined into the Dark Ages. Nonetheless certain parallels there are. A crucial turning point in that earlier history occurred when men and women of good will turned aside from the task of shoring up the Roman imperium and ceased to identify the continuation of civility and moral community with the maintenance of that imperium. What they set themselves to achieve instead often not recognizing fully what they were doing—was the construction of new forms of community within which the moral life could be sustained so that both morality and civility might survive the coming ages of barbarism and darkness. If my account of our moral condition is correct, we ought also to conclude that for some time now we too have reached that turning point.”
“What matters at this stage is the construction of local forms of community within which civility and the intellectual and moral life can be sustained through the new dark ages which are already upon us. And if the tradition of the virtues was able to survive the horrors of the last dark ages, we are not entirely without grounds for hope. This time however the barbarians are not waiting beyond the frontiers; they have already been governing us for quite some time. And it is our lack of consciousness of this that constitutes part of our predicament. We are waiting not for a Godot, but for another—doubtless very different—St Benedict.”
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(Alasdair MacIntyre, After Virtue)
ALL US citizens who were born in the USA, regardless of whether one or two parents were citizens at the time of birth, are Natural Born Citizens. The meaning of Natural Born at the time that the constitution was written referred ONLY to the place of birth in America (not Switzerland).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
obot anti-american mexican invader 14th amendment logic — there are no slaves still alive from the civil war era still needing full citizenship. — and as might have been added to the 14th amendment declaration that former slaves born in the US had in fact achieved full natural born citizenship status (not just 100% US citizenship status) and constitutionally these former slaves if born in the US were eligible for the office of POTUS in their remaining life time.
Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829) NOTICE THE DATE.
NYS case Strunk v paterson 29642-2008 NYSSC Kings Cty — should finally do the constitutional job of defining natural born citizen with regards to 2008 election.
Re: “NYS case Strunk v paterson 29642-2008 NYSSC Kings Cty — should finally do the constitutional job of defining natural born citizen with regards to 2008 election.”
Dream on. These words: “That the Court responded favorably to Plaintiff’s argument and contention expressing familiarity with the difference between the Natural and Native born…’ are only the words of the plaintiffs. There are no quotations from the judge, much less anything in writing.
Birthers have appealed cases to the Supreme Court three or four times, and the Supreme Court turned down every one. In fact, it did not even ask the government to reply to the birthers. Just ONE justice could require the government to reply, but not even one asked the government to reply.
simple fact, the scapegoat will be the state of HI and the DNC (and the NYS Dem/GOP committee staffed BOE) signing off on an ineligible national ballot — in an ever still active election case. — and Sotomayor and Kagan will be distant memories.
Obama is a natural born American.
Period.
Get over it and move on to real issues.
#9 It took some Acts of the gerrymander Congress in the 1900s to even naturalize American Indian folks.
Note for MORONS on this list — American Indian tribe persons were *internal* FOREIGN folks — BEFORE such naturalization acts. — in 1776 and even before and after 14th Amdt, Sec. 1.
The citizen sentence in 14th Amdt, Sec. 1 was of course and obviously enacted to make ALL black folks (free and ex-slave) to be U.S.A. citizens — after the 13th Amdt — see the EVIL Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) SCOTUS piece of JUNK.
How many AMERICAN black soldiers-citizens of the 13 States fought and died to defeat the EVIL Brits in 1775-1783 ???
Way too difficult for constitutional law MORONS to understand — esp. the super MORONS on this list.
Attention MORONS — the EVIL Japanese statist military robots invaded and conquered various U.S.A. areas in 1941-1945 and raped U.S.A. citizen women with some kids resulting.
Were such kids at birth Japanese subjects of Emperor-god on Earth Hirohito — or U.S.A. natural born citizens ???
See the special U.S.A. naturalization acts after WW II regarding such innocent kids — regardless of the EVIL rapes involved.
— thank you obots for giving us this opportunity to remove (un-naturalized) US born “anchor babies” of alien parents from all state / federal citizenship rolls.
# 18 about folks in American Indian tribes — See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizenship_Act_of_1924
# 9 NO such thing as a dual-nation allegiance.
See the human parties listed in Art. III, Sec. 2 – State citizens and FOREIGN citizens/subjects — can NOT be both at the same time — could sue each half in a Fed court ???
ANY foreign regime still having *subjects* — after the counter-attacks on all monarchy / oligarchy / nobility regimes since 1776 ???
To borderraven
In you post number 7 you made some interesting points.
Some of them are already in force. First, John S. McCain III was born out of wedlock in the Colon Hospital on the island Colon, Republic of Panama on August 29, 1936. His putative father John S. McCain II
never lawfully wed Roberta Wright in a Tijuana Bar in 1933. By Section 2 of the Act of August 4, 1937, Ms.
Wright would had to be employed by either the United
States Government or the successor to the Panama Rail Road Company for John S. McCain to be a United States
citizen under the terms of that collective naturalization act. Since she did not fall into that
class, John S. McCain is just a natural born citizen of
Panama.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party
# 22 Any DNA remaining from Sen. McCain’s alleged father ???
Any cold case detectives at work on the case ???
Now to Barack H. Obama II.
His paternal grandfather was naturalized by a decree in
1919 as a subject of the Sultan of Zanzibar. Under the
laws of Zanzibar, the grandson of the Sultan’s Subject
is also a Subject.
If a person would read the Kenya Constitution, Barack
Obama II would not quilify to be a citizen of Kenya.
On August 4, 1961, Mombasa Island was under the sovereignty of the grandfather of the current Sultan
of Zanzibar. The flag of the Sultan flew over Fort
Jesus, Mombasa Island for all to see on August 4, 1961
(date of Barack H.Obama II’s birth). When Barack Obama I entered the United States in 1959, He had a student visa with a British Protected Person Passport that showed him as being an Arab, viz., meaning he was a Subject of an Arab Sultanate under British Protection,
viz., Sultan of Zanzibar.
Because of the 1949 conviction of Barack Obama II’s grandfather for being a Mau Mau terrorist, if was not
for the fact of the 1919 naturalization by decree, Barack H. Obama I would not have got a passport to
leave Kenya for the United States. This was explained
to me by an official at the Home Office in London in
2008 when the “Birther Movement” was in its hayday.
The British Goverment would not risk Barack H. Obama I
going out of Kenya to the United States, because of the
events of 1949. Sons of terrorist could not leave Kenya
to go abroad. Barack H. Obama I had a loophole, he like
his father was a Subject of the Sultan of Zanzibar. Therefore, the British Goverment had to issue a passport
because of an 1895 agreement between the British Goverment and the Government of the Sultanate of Zanzibar.
Barack Obama II’s mother was a United States Citizen,
but she was only 18 year old when he was born. In 1961
it was a requirement that a United States Citizen mother
most be a United States resident for ten year, five of those ten years must be after the age of 14 years to pass on citizenship to her issue.
Therefore, the issue of Barack Obama II being a Natural
Born Citizen was a red herring. He was not a citizen
period, so the question of Natural Born was a non-issue.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg,
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
Reply to # 23
DNA will not work now, because the issue of acknowledgement would have to been when both parents were alive and it would have to be in a court in Panama
City, Republic of Panama.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg,
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
Re: “Therefore, the issue of Barack Obama II being a Natural Born Citizen was a red herring. He was not a citizen period, so the question of Natural Born was a non-issue.”
Answer: President Obama is both a US citizen due to his birth in Hawaii, which is stated in the official birth certificate of Hawaii and confirmed by three Republican officials and a witness who was told of his birth at the time and wrote home about it. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
ALL US citizens who were born in the USA are Natural Born Citizens regardless of the citizenship of the father or, for that matter, both parents. Only naturalized citizens are not Natural Born Citizens.
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
#24 When Barack Obama I entered the United States in 1959, He had a student visa with a British Protected Person Passport that showed him as being an Arab, viz., meaning he was a Subject of an Arab Sultanate under British Protection,
viz., Sultan of Zanzibar.
1959 Year typo ???
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#26 How about read the 1866 Senate debates about the *subject to the jurisdiction thereof* in 14th Amdt, Sec. 1 ???
If the late Diana of England had a kid physically born in the U.S.A. would such kid have been a natural born U.S.A. Citizen ??? Same for the wife of the English Prime Minister.
If the wife of a U.S.A. citizen-Prez (such as the late Jackie Kennedy) has a kid born in some foreign nation, is the kid a subject/citizen of that foreign nation ???
How come *natural* is in the word *naturalization* ???
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Const. Art. I, Sec. 8 part –
The Congress shall have Power
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To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; ***
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Sorry – some tribal Stone Age father-blood line stuff is connected with at birth natural born allegiance stuff to a nation-state.
Change nation-state allegiance and get *naturalized* in the new regime.
How many LEGAL foreign folks have come to the U.S.A. and become naturalized U.S.A. citizens and then had children — Natural Born U.S.A. citizens — physically born inside or outside the U.S.A. (in foreign nations or on the High Seas) ???