Mike Feinstein has this op-ed in the Santa Clarita Valley Signal, a daily newspaper in Los Angeles County. It explains the advantages that would occur if California and also the U.S. used proportional representation.
Mike Feinstein has this op-ed in the Santa Clarita Valley Signal, a daily newspaper in Los Angeles County. It explains the advantages that would occur if California and also the U.S. used proportional representation.
What sayeth the usual suspect troll-MORONS ???
There are two issues that Mr. Feinstein writes about. They are separate issues and both worthy of debate. Do not think that one cannot have one without the other – either or both would be an improvement.
I use to live in California. I too found the number of legislators to be too small for such a populous state. There are many state legislatures (upper and lower) with far more members. I agree that California should consider increasing its number of seats in both chambers.
As for proportional representation, I would also like to see some form adopted. I don’t like the entire state being one big district with a unicameral legislature(which is not required under any proportional representation system). Why not keep the upper house single member districts (but with a larger number of seats than currently) and have the lower Assembly chamber elected by PR from 5 or 6 districts representing for example different parts of the state: Bay area, Northern California outside of the Bay area, Central coast and inland, Los Angeles, Orange county and San Diego metro areas.
How about splitting up the state of California? The commies can have one state, and the real Americans one or two of their own.
Jerry, good idea. Also, Texas has a constitutional provision whereby it can be split into 5 states. That would give the good guys more electoral votes and more votes in the Senate. More reeee from leftists=good. And we should kick D.C. And porto Rico out of the USA and force them to be their own countrys so COMMIES quit the bs about making them into states.
Take illegal aliens our of the appointment process. Things will change quickly
Take illegal aliens and shoot them on sight. There should be open hunting season on illegals year round. There ought to be competitions and prizes for bagging the most illegals especially the higher point bucks and fertile females.
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By volunteer vote counter James Ogle [One]
12/27/2020
HEAR YE! HEAR ye! Bring the four-Caucus System!
Our voices to bring voting power to female Electors was snuffed out when Brin (google registrant in Oct. 1997) launched off our backs but he did it wrong because “click the search” and “click the ad” are one-party voting systems. Facebook “click the like” and LNC round-by-round “click the box”, are also male-dominated approval voting (AppV) one-party voting systems.
Our team is correct, only ranked choice voting (RCV), 1,2,3,4,5,etc.
The California State LP and the Los Angeles County L.P. both blocked us for presentation of Presidential platform and debate in 2018 and 2019 so no Delegates nor Electors heard the plan for limited voting to bring the three-party system or the 539-party system to the 538-member Electoral College in 2020.
The Presidential Electors’ votes, likely all votes, can be counted two different ways but only one way is democratically legit because there is no one-party or two-party system results under limited voting.
One-caucus system (AppV) verses four-caucus system (Droop).
Bring the four-caucus system (Droop Quota) to the Libertarian Party of Los Angeles County (LPLAC) Judicial Committee in 2021!
The strict math of one-man-one-vote, and one whole vote per paper ballot under pure proportional representation (PPR), brings the four-party (or caucus) system. The first three names who break a four-way tie win by one vote each.
Under PPR, the election of every name is a tie broken by one vote, if not, then we calibrate the threshold down until all the open seats are filled.
In copies of paper ballots below the outsiders win one seat (Mark Herd), and when he stands down another outsider won the same seat (James Ogle), as backup.
That way outsider caucus could keep the 1/3rd minority vote on the LPLAC Judicial Committee.
Under approval voting (AppV) the outsider caucus didn’t win one seat but under the Droop Quota the outsider caucus would have kept one of the three seats (four-party system).
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Powerful King, Prince and Jester
By CEO Buck Rogers [Conservative]
12/25/2020
Nothing is as bad as it seems. SEE even the most dismal situations in a positive light, THEY CAN BE DONE AND OVERCOME. Consider your steps carefully. People of ability find their way and make progress even in difficult circumstances. Weak and strong forces (or people) can co-exist when the weaker element does not impose upon the stronger, when the weaker maintains good humor and avoids taking bold action. Sometimes one must get by with a little grace and good humor. After all, in the court of a powerful king, the jester often has more power than the prince.
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CA ASSEMBLY NOV 2020 ELECTION, 2021-2022 TERM
80 GERRYMANDER DISTRICTS
SUMMARY
– – VOTES PCTTV
– – 4,683,251 *26.33 41 LOW D* WIN
– – 3,231,551 18.17 + 19 HIGH D WIN
– – 7,914,802 *44.50 = 60 D WIN
– – 2,582,580 14.52 + 19 R WIN
– – 120,401 0.68 + 1 OTH WIN
– – 10,617,783 59.70 = 80 WIN-70 INC+10 NEW
– – 5,458,150 30.69 + 76 LOSE
– – 16,075,933 90.39 = 156 TOTAL CANDS
– – 1,709,218 9.61 + NONVOTES
– – 17,785,151 100.00 = TOTAL VOTES-TV
– – * ANTI-DEMOCRACY MINORITY RULE PERCENTS
WIN-8 D*D, 2 D*O, 29 D*R, 2 D*U, 2 DD, 2 DO, 15 DR, 1 OR, 16 RD, 1 RR, 2 RU
4 DIST NO D, 15 DIST NO R – 19 TOT DIST
RATIOS – 204,108 MAXWIN 15D
RATIOS – 63,448 MINWIN 59D
RATIOS – 3.22 MAXWIN 15D/MINWIN 59D
RATIOS – 131,023 MAXLOSE 74R
RATIOS – 2.07 MAXLOSE 74R/MINWIN 59D
RATIOS – 1.24 MAXLOSE 74R/MINDT 32
RATIOS – 46 LOSE > MINWIN 59D
RATIOS – 302,853 MAXDT 6
RATIOS – 105,778 MINDT 32
RATIOS – 2.86 MAXDT 6/MINDT 32
RATIOS – 7 LOSE > MINDT 32
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/prior-elections/statewide-election-results/general-election-november-3-2020/statement-vote
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ALL States – SAME INDIRECT MINORITY RULE ROT — SINCE 1776.
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THE MERE 10 PLUS MILLION ILLEGALS ARE ***INVADERS*** – UN-ARMED OR ARMED —
1-8-1, 15
The Congress shall have Power ***
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
1-10-3
No State shall *** engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
4-4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; ***.
BUT ARE LOVED BY RED COMMIE DONKEYS SINCE THEY MAKE IT EASIER FOR SUCH DONKEYS TO GET NOMINATED AND ELECTED IN GERRYMANDER DISTS HAVING LOTS OF SUCH INVADERS — AS IN CA, TX, FL, ETC.
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PR AND APPV
TOTSOP
@ Eric
California currently has more Reps in Congress than in the state Assembly. Quick and Simple solution: 1 state senator, and 5 state reps elected at large by RCV, for every US rep district. One apportionment for all seats.
Exactly. We are at war with illegals. They are an invading army. In a war when you see the enemy you shoot to kill, no questions asked. It’s that simple.
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12/19/2020
Nothing in nature lives for itself..rivers don’t drink their own water..trees don’t drink their own fruit..the sun does not shine for itself..a flowers fragrance is not for itself..living for each other is the rule of nature.
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Jeremy: All immigrants should be welcomed with open arms. I say abolish all immigration law and let anyone move to the United States who wants to. Crossing an international border should be no different than crossing a State border.
The only enemy I recognize are xenophobic Trump supporters. I would be very happy to fight those motherfuckers.
Now MORON fake libertarian Stock is promoting violence. Actually, MORON Stock, some states and especially territories are currently very restrictive on who can enter and not be locked up, but I’m sure you support that because your commie leader Soros does.
Feinstein should get together with John Cox. Divide the state into districts with 5000 votes or less. Elect Top 5 candidates in each district. These representatives would have as many votes as they received. If there are more than five candidates, those eliminated transfer their votes to one of the elected representatives.
The representatives would elect the assemblymen and senators. Assemblymen might be elected by district, while senators might be elected by statewide proportional representation.
Representatives would vote on final passage of all legislation.
Robert your a dingbat. If we let in anybody we’d have a billion people come over and it would look like a refugee camp in an open sewer. I mean the whole entire country would. No one would have a job and your great grandkids wouldn’t speak English or look anything like you. They’d probably be praying to Allah or some other gutter religion. No thanks.
I tell you what we ought to do. Cut off every penny of foreign aid and slap a big fat tariff on any imports or just ban them. Bring all our troops home and put them on the border with shoot to kill orders plus that hunting thing I told you bout earlier. Kick the united nations and all the other globalist claptrap out of the country and withdraw from all of them.
Then we need to get rid of the 1965 immigration law. And take away the citizenship or residency or permit to be here of anyone who’s here as a result of that. Put together a deportation force and get all them people out of the country asap. Make English the official language and put God back in the public schools.
While we’re at it just turn back the clock on everything that went on since the 1960s. Get rid of feminism, affirmative racism, quotas, the war on poverty, the epa, the 1968 gun control, stuff homosexuals back in the closet and throw away the key. Clean up all the crime, drugs and vagrant bums. Put them in workhouses or loonie bins. Get a lot more chain gangs working.
I like what Duterte is doing about drugs in the Philippines. We need a real drug war like that. We ought to bring back segregation and have a lot more executions. And don’t delay them for years and decades with appeal after appeal. Just make it legal for law enforcement officers to execute criminals, dopers and illegals on the spot. Don’t coddle them with three hots and a cot for life or a chance to keep sneaking in the country again. Stop executing innocent babies and start executing criminals in real numbers.
You want to fight? Let’s fight. We got the guns and the numbers and we’ll kick your sorry behinds to Canada, England or wherever.
I haven’t showered since 1985.
Whatever floats your boat bubba.
WZ – 2021-2022
CA — 40 state senators – 80 Assembly [state reps]
53 USA Reps
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PR and APPV
TOTSOP
Hyperbole to answer hyperbole. However I am willing to fight if someone else throws the first punch.
The best way to solve the drug problem is to legalize all drugs. It gets rid of the black market and removes the criminal element. Get your cocaine and heroin at Walgreens where purity and dosage have been guaranteed by the FDA and American entrepreneurs pocket the money.
Open immigration would not lead to a billion people coming to the United States. If it did then that would be fine by me. But it won’t happen. When jobs do start to become scarce, then the immigration will stop on its own.
There is nothing wrong with our descendants speaking a different language. Being American is not defined by language, blood, or soil. Being American is defined by accepting the principles found in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. A young Ayn Rand read those documents for the first time in Russian. It resonated with her very being. She knew that even though born in Eastern Europe, she was an American to her core.
I think that Feinstine makes excellent points. I do not disagree with anything in his Op-Ed.
The size of the United States House of Representatives should be increased. The British House of Commons has 655 members. They don’t find that an unwieldy number. The United States House should increase to at least 701.
New Hampshire does very well with over 400 legislators. California could handle over 500 easily.
The only thing that I can see as a draw back to proportional representation is, how do independent candidates fit in? If a candidate is not running with a party label how are their votes apportioned?
Sorry for misspelling “Feinstein”.
The British House of Commons now has 650 gerrymander hacks.
On schedule to have 600 in next regular election — easier for fascist Cons to get/keep control in rural / outer suburb areas.
Stock wants more government (legislators make a huge sum of cash, plus benefits), and more immigrants getting welfare, costing the taxpayers more. New Hampshire’s legislatures make virtually nothing, California is not the same. Yep, a Soros minion if I ever saw one.
New Hampshire legislators make $100 a year. How much other State Legislators make is up to each individual State. But I think it would be a good idea for other States to follow the example of New Hampshire. Why do you think pay has anything to do with the number of Legislators?
Everything you said about immigrants is just nonsense.
They work hard and pay their way. The vast majority are not on welfare.
I think government is a good thing. Whether there should be more or less depends on a case by case evaluation. I would like more government in Health Care and less government in immigration.
Taxation is the price you pay for civilization. The reason we have a Constitution is that the federal government could not levy taxes under the Articles of Confederation. If the people think they are getting value for their money, then the won’t mind paying taxes.
Do I want taxes to increase? Depends on a case by case evaluation. I do support increasing taxes for a National Health Service like Britain. I oppose raising taxes to continue United States military operations outside of the United States. Close every military base outside of the United States and bring every United States military personnel back home.
Yep, just like Soros. You really are a MORON. I know plenty of immigrants gaming the system. Getting rid of welfare would solve that problem.
Do you have any idea how much California legislators make? You know they would never take a pay cut, so your plan would cost taxpayers more money. Not surprising coming from a fake libertarian MORON like you.
You really want the government running health care? Do you want to wait in line for months and have nursing shortages due to poor government mandated pay? That’s how it is in Canada. That’s why many cross the border prior to the restrictions to work and have surgeries.
Bullshit
Bottom line. Would I be in favor of tax increases? Hell yeah! You don’t like it? Big fucking deal.
Yep, Stock ignoring the facts again because he is a MORON. That, or he is brainwashed by his admitted hero Soros.
Do some research on nursing shortages in Canada, specifically Ontario, the most populated province. This isn’t a recent thing either. Go to an American hospital prior to the shutdown near the border and count the Canadian license plates. They don’t go there to hang out!
Welfare is easy for immigrants to get. Again, Stock is too stupid to see this.
Stock just admitted he wants more taxes. This guy claimed to be a libertarian. They don’t go together. No wonder he was kicked out of the party.
Hey Stock, you know you can always voluntarily pay more taxes. Do you? Put your money where your mouth is, MORON.
I do want the government to own all the hospitals and set what doctors are paid. If that means rationing health services and waiting in line, then I am fine with that. For every Canadian that leaves their country for health care services there are thousands who wouldn’t trade it for a United States style system.
Rationing health care? Why not move to a third world country, because that’s what they do. Straight out of the Soros playbook. Canada has shortages because people won’t work for the low wages the government sets. You called yourself a libertarian? Do you even know what a libertarian is? Sounds like you are a communist.
I do pay more then I am required. Always have.
Spacibo tovarish (Thank you comrade)
I was opposed to most of what I now think when I was a Libertarian. This past June I had an epiphany which led me to formally reject the Libertarian Party and Libertarian philosophy. My view of what are Rights and what is the purpose of government completely changed.
If you want to call me a Communist then I gladly accept the name. Other Communists would disagree with you, but you don’t care about that. What is true and what is false means nothing to you.
Stock admits he is a Soros minion and communist. He makes up lies to push his warped belief system. He tried to infiltrate the LP and did so poorly he was kicked out.
Stock is even a bigger MORON than I am. He doesn’t rant about PURGE LISTS endlessly.
@Robert K Stock,
“The only thing that I can see as a draw back to proportional representation is, how do independent candidates fit in? If a candidate is not running with a party label how are their votes apportioned?”
Single Transferable Vote (STV), aka Ranked Choice Voting, which is a form of proportional representation, takes care of having independent candidates as one votes for the individual candidate not the party. Party list PR does pose a problem with independent candidates, which is why I prefer STV. STV also can be used in non-partisan elections.
Robert you are a commie turd. You don’t mind fighting if we fire the first shot? I got no problem firing the first shot. I target practice every day, work out every day, and served in combat. You ever been to a gun show? Guess who has the guns. You want to nationalize health care and bring in a billion mud people to tax us into third world poverty, bring crime and disease like a third world country, genocide us like they’re doing the Boers in South Africa or each other in Rwanda and Syria, and take away our guns. You can have them one bullet at a time. It’s a war you are going to lose and lose bad.
Simmer down, Sieg Heil.
In the interests of general welfare, you don’t happen to have a stockpile of ammonium nitrate and also own an RV, do you [Fill in the Blank]?
I don’t know who your sieg heiling there Jane. My grandpa died fighting the Nazis. I don’t support any kind of SOCIALISM even if it’s national, and I’m an American nationalist, not a German. I have no idea what you mean by fill in the blank and as for what I have and don’t have that’s for me to know and you wouldn’t want to find out. Let’s just say I’m very well armed and trained and have a bunch of other combat tested buddies, friends, neighbors and family who are too. Robert is the one who brought up wanting to fight and is a left wing socialist like the Nazis so maybe you should address him?
Pre-election rank order lists of ALL other candidates in ALL districts.
Total Votes / Total Members = EQUAL votes to elect each Member
Surplus votes down. Repeat.
Lowest Loser votes up. Repeat.
ALL votes count.
Okay, [Fill in the Blank], okay.
So, to be clear, what y’er really saying is that 5G is also all up inside your head too watching 24/7, COVID is just a conspiracy to implant micro processors and “The King Lear of Mar-a-Lago, ranting about the corruption” [aka Phineas Trump Barnum] really did win the election in a pretend landslide.
That about sum y’er fantasy circus up?
Robert, do you support world government?
@EL @RKS,
Think how corporate governance works. One share one vote. Most don’t attend the shareholders meeting, but rather grant a proxy.
Now imagine that each adult citizen held one share, or rather a warrant for one share which they converted to a share when they voted. Not voting would result in the expiration of the warrant.
Then when you vote, you would be issuing a proxy to your chosen representative. The only thing to guard against is a representative acquiring too many or too few proxies. That can easily be done by limiting the area in which your representative lives. If there were 4876 voters in a district, the most proxies that could be gathered is 4876 if the vote was unanimous. But it would not be unanimous. Other candidates, including independents would run knowing that they would not need to receive a majority or plurality.
Compare to STV, we first create stacks of first choice ballots.
An advocate for STV would then explain that we must rearrange the piles so that they are of equal size, and then justify creating a pile slightly smaller than the others which would be tossed in the trash, and that we didn’t really need to make the piles exactly equal because that would be too hard.
But it is certainly not a necessity that the piles be of equal size. The whole scheme of STV flows from that false premise.
Bob: I do like the concept, but I don’t think it is possible. I would like to see the United States out of the UN and the UN out of the United States. I think governments should deal with each other individually.
Soros will be defeated and we’ll remember all the people like Robert KKK Stock who tried to help him destroy America.
Allied nations dealing with Central power monarchs in WW I.
United Nations dealing with Axis power monarchs in WW II.
If the United States had remained nuetral during WWI then there would have been a negotiated peace with much more favorable terms for Germany.
With Germany not suffering the hardships caused by the Treaty of Versailles the Nazis would have never come to power and there would have been no WWII in Europe.
The United States would still have to fight Japan, but at least the war would have been with one enemy.
Deal with each country individually. NATO should have disbanded in 1990 when the Warsaw Pact disbanded.
Germany was hardly neutral re USA in 1914-1917 —
sinking USA flag commerce ships
Mexico plot- infamous Zimmermann telegram
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram
HOW moron arrogant stupid re Mar 3, 1917 German admission ???
I stand with the 50 members of the United States House of Representatives that voted against going to war in 1917. The United States and the world would have been much better off if the United States remained nuetral during WWI.
The loss of American life from sinking of commercial ships by Germany would have been a welcome price to pay to avoid the American war dead from WWI and the much larger loss of life by preventing the European part of WWII.
Was the Zimmerman telegram legitimate or was it a ploy by British Intelligence to dupe the United States into the war? Even if it was legitimate, so what? Mexico was too busy with the after shocks of the 1910 revolution to invade the United States. Pancho Villa’s raid on Tucson was a one off by a bandit. Not a precursor to invasion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_declaration_of_war_on_Germany_(1917)
What happened to the 6+50 NO WAR folks ???
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How many UN-declared USA wars since 1945 —
due to spineless gerrymander Congress hacks and SCOTUS hacks and killer prezs ???
@Jim Riley,
“Think how corporate governance works. One share one vote.”
Not always. I own shares of AFLAC. If you hold the shares more than 4 years you get 10 votes per share, whereas those owning shares less than 4 years only get one voter per share. From AFLAC’s recent proxy material:
“In accordance with the Company’s Articles of Incorporation, shares of the Company’s Common Stock, par value $.10 per share (the “Common Stock”) are entitled to one vote per share until they have been held by the same beneficial owner for a continuous period of greater than 48 months prior to the record date of the meeting, at which time they become entitled to 10 votes per share. ”
AFLAC is not the only corporation where this happens. Also, I used to own shares in a corporation where cumulative voting was allowed. So, for example, if there were 5 board members up for election and I owned 1000 shares I could vote 5000 (5 X 1000) votes for one candidates or split those 5000 votes amongst those running in anyway I chose as long as the total votes I cast did not exceed 5000.
How many corporations with a small room *office* created in DE with the rigged stock schemes –
akin to minority rule gerrymander stuff ???
@Eric L,
Interesting – but irrelevant to application to popular elections (unless we want to get one additional vote each year we live in a location, or let voters save up unused votes. Someone who last voted for Reagan would have 40 votes).
But if a legislator’s vote is equal to their popular vote, then it is exactly proportional. It doesn’t require all the complicated schemes like STV. If I want Eric L. To be my representative, why should I also have my vote transferred to other individuals?