Al Jazeera Article on Possible Split in Republican Party — 34 Comments
Make it so.
They could reconstitute the Free Soil Party out of the Republican Party into which it was absorbed. They could run on the platform of stopping the spread of Trumpism into non-Trump states.
Bill Weld may be old enough to have voted for Van Buren when he ran on the Free Soil ticket.
They should just go back to being the Whigs, IMO. Just a bunch of scheming Machiavellians of which Henry Clay was probably the worst.
REAL Republicans can join the LP —
the rest become open Trump nazis.
Here’s the bad thing: No political party that will be a net positive has any chance of winning the presidency, or capturing enough major offices, to have much of an impact. As long as the Federal Reserve System and fiat currency exists, the bad guys and gals can create as much money as they want, and use it to reward their allies and punish their opponents. There are also far too many special interest groups who rely on the status quo, plus the mainstream news media is in the hands of the bad guys and gals. Also, any political party or organization or movement can be internally sabotaged by sending in operatives, and it does not take that many people to damage a party or movement.
So what to do? I see cryptocurrency as one of the only hopes. Just think if every libertarian had bought some Bitcoin or Ethereum when it was cheap. We’d have way more libertarian millionaires and billionaires right now. If a critical mass of the general public would stop using Federal Reserve Notes (ala-US Dollars, which are not really dollars or notes, since they are not backed by gold or silver), and started using cryptocurrency, it would really throw a wrench into the machine of big government. Governments are likely going to co-opt Bitcoin, and/or create their own cryptocurrencies. Keep in mind that most US Dollars are already digital anyway, and have been for a long time. They want to completely wipe out physical currency, that is paper money and coins (and the metal in coins have already been debased to the point where they have gone to cheaper and cheaper metals, first taking the silver out of coins, them taking the nickel out of Nickels, or .05 cent pieces, and taking the copper out of pennies, or .01 cent pieces). The move to cryptocurrencies is a good thing, IF it is NOT controlled by any government. If a government controls a cryptocurrency, it basically defeats the purpose of having them, because then they can be used as tools for tracking and controlling people, and rewarding allies and punishing political enemies. The bad news is that most cryptocurrencies, including Bitcoin, are trackable. While who owns a particular Bitcoin address may not be known, how much is in that address (ie-wallet), and how that Bitcoin is being spent (as in what addresses/wallets is it sending Bitcoin to) IS all public record, and anyone in the world with even very basic computer skills can look this up, and while a person could try to keep their Bitcoin address private, there are other methods of spying to where it could potentially be found out who owns that Bitcoin address, and the same is true with most cryptocurrencies. What is the solution to this? DEFAULT PRIVACY CRYPTOCURRENCIES, the most notable of which is MONERO. Monero is so private that no government has been able to track it, and all balances and transactions are private by default, as in one does not have to turn the privacy features on in order for it to be private. There are a few cryptocurrencies like ZCash which have a very strong privacy feature, but that feature has to be turned on to work, otherwise, ZCash is as traceable as Bitcoin. It has been found that most people who hold ZCash and other optional privacy coins don’t bother to turn the feature on that much, but in order for everything to be private, everyone using it would have to leave the privacy option on at all times, and this is not likely to happen. So if one values privacy, default privacy coins like Monero are the way to go. If everyone, or even just a critical mass of the population, started using default privacy cryptocurrencies like Monero, and stopped using government fiat currency, and stopped using banks, it would basically be GAME OVER for government, because they would lose the ability to track and control people, and to tax, and to manipulate the money supply in order to reward their political allies (and themselves), and punish their political enemies.
Some may ask, what if government’s just outlaw cryptocurrency? If it were that easy, they would have already done it. They could try shutting down the internet, but then they would have more problems on their hands, and they would have to shut it down for the entire world to be effective, which is far easier said than done, but even if they did that, cryptocurrencies can STILL be traded over HAM radio, and people could also download them to flash drives or microchips, and trade the flash drives or microchips.
Cryptocurrency could be the tool for victory libertarians have been looking for all these years. Libertarians ought to be preaching cryptocurrency, and in particular, the default privacy cryptocurrencies like Monero, from the rooftops.
Three other important tools for victory libertarians ought to promote are:
1) the right to keep and bear arms, and not just to right wingers/conservatives, since most of them already agree with this, to at least some extent, so libertarians out to focus on people on the left and non-voters with this message, which should a) focus on the correlation between gun control and tyrannical governments and crime, and b) the fact that you can’t rely on the state for protection, and a particular emphasis should be placed on 3D printed guns and other home made guns, because if the state outlaws them, people can still make them, and it is much easier to do now with 3D printers;
2) jury nullification of victimless crimes, as in all potential jurors should know that they have the right to judge the validity of the law itself, and not just the facts of the case, and if they believe a law is unjust, or is being applied in an unjust manner, they have the right to vote Not Guilty, even if the person is guilt, and a crime needs to be properly defined as a violation of person or property, as in a coercive act of violence, theft, or property destruction;
3) home schooling, and more specifically, getting one’s children out of government schools, and given the growth of the internet, home schooling is now easier than ever, and libertarians should particularly promote home schooling which promotes liberty, such as the Ron Paul Curriculum and Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom (Liberty Classroom is not specifically designed as a comprehensive education program, unlike the Ron Paul Curriculum, which Tom Woods helped design, as Liberty Classroom only focuses on history, philosophy, and economics, but it is still a great program of which millions of people could benefit).
I am skeptical that a political party in and if itself is really going to produce the changes that ought to happen, and this includes the Libertarian Party, however, a political party which promoted the above action items would be very useful. Are enough Libertarians listening and going go take action to implement and promote these action items? I think sitting back and continuing to do what you have always done is not going to work, not if you want success anyway.
I’m not that a split will really occur. Lots of Republicans I know totally disdain the religious right, but see it as a necessary evil to gain power.
THE DEVIL CITY RED DONKEYS WILL SHORTLY MAKE ALL CRYPTO CASH A MAJOR FELONY —
NOOOOOO COMPETITION FOR JUNK NONSTOP INFLATION USA DOLLARS SINCE 1933.
HOW MANY TRILLIONS ADDED TO USA NATIONAL DEBT DUE TO BIDEN — AS USA SENATOR / VP / PREZ ???
The Libertarian Party had enough impact in both 2016 and 2020 to change the outcome in several swing states. This is not inconsequential. Do you know how the Prohibition Party achieved prohibition without winning any Presidential elections, or any significant offices? They took advantage of the narrow pluralities in key elections in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and consciously ran candidates in swing districts. Eventually, both major parties had to come around to their position, or risk losing elections. If Libertarians just focus their scarce resources in this way, they could have an impact, without ever having to elect a President, or any major office.
All political parties are made up of coalitions. The question is can the coalitions work together enough to achieve common goals. The Libertarian Party could easily split up into 4 or 5 different parties right now. The problem would be getting name recognition and ballot access for each party, and also battling for who controls the ballot access in each state where the LP does have ballot access, and note that most of those states do not allow a party to change its name.
Starting a new political party is very difficult. Somebody like Donald Trump has the money, and ability to raise money, and the name recognition, to make it happen, but making that party successful, which means seeing all, or many of, that party’s policy positions be implemented in a manner which achieves the goals of that political party, is another, and far more difficult to accomplish, thing.
The Libertarian Party did not change much of anything. If most of the same policies are in place, particularly the major ones, nothing much has changed.
The Libertarian Party made the difference in both Presidential elections in 2016 and 2020. But, don’t take my word for it: just look at the numbers.
The leaders of the libertarian Party just have to realize the potential that the party has, and utilize it by focusing scarce resources in marginal districts and states.
USA/States/Locals now looting about 40 pct of GDP.
— borrowing about 25 pct of that each year for decades.
ALL govts debt now over $$$ 40 TRIL.
TOTAL de facto bankruptcy of USA regime and some commie State/Local regimes — CA, NY, etc.
Things will change the very hard way — when the IRON laws of econ show up
— will make Texas power/freeze rot seem trivial.
The Libertarian Party, by its activism and lobbying and lawsuits, has improved ballot access laws in over half the states. It is due to the Libertarian Party that whereas the median vote test for a party to remain on the ballot in 1976 was 5%, now it is 2%.
@Walter
“utilize it by focusing scarce resources in marginal districts and states.” – this is literally what the “Fontier Project” is. This is how the LP elected their first state legislator in decades (Marshall Burt in WY): https://www.lp.org/frontier-project-candidate-elected-to-wyoming-house/ and another one lost by only a handful of votes
An anti-Trump conservative party could take off, if big names backed it. I hear the Bush’s loath Trump.
Some REP/EC seat changes when 2020 Census Pop stats show up whenever.
What percent of LP Congress and State legislature folks since 1970 ???
0.0001 percent or less ???
How many statist laws repealed due to the LP ???
0.00001 percent or less ???
———-
PR and APPV
TOTSOP
Hey Richard, How about setting up a Demo Rep filter and just sending all his drivel straight to some other file…you know, like a spam folder. We all thank you kindly in advance.
@ TJ:
Big Names are mentioned in this article.
IMO, the key is the 2022 elections. If a major Trump family member, like Ivanka or Don Jr, win a Senate seat, and if so-called RINO’s are ptimaried out, look for those Big Name anti-Trump Republicans to gravitate to another place.
Romney is the key Big Name to watch. He’s the guy who could make this happen.
Ivanka already called little Marco and said she wouldn’t challenge him for his seat.
Ross Perot had lots of money and his reform party blew up when Pat Buchanan tried to take it over.
@ TJ
The Reform Party was started by outsiders. This new party could have some major insiders, like Romney, jump on board if they think the Republican Party is antithetical to there goals.
This could be like when political leaders left the Whig Party to join the new Republican Party. This seems to be the way that successful new major parties get started in the US. Altho, its been a long time since that happened.
part gerrymander LP Natl Comt
total violation of separation of powers
annual vacation conventions for LP elites
akin to the ROT in USA/State regimes.
Goldwater was fairly libertarian. He even supported gay rights before it was cool.
And, in fact, the LP was started in 1971 by many people who had supported Goldwater, but we disenchanted with Nixon, particularly wages and price controls, and the effective end of gold conversion.
And what states other than FL and NY does Ivanka have anything to do with?
Making a difference in which bad politician gets elected is not really changing anything.
The Reform Party did not fall apart because of Pat Buchanan. It fell apart because it lacked a cohesive ideology and set of principles. It was lots of people who wanted reform, but who had differing ideas on what those reforms should be. It was also kind of a cult of personality surrounding Ross Perot. After he ceased involvement involvement in it, the lack of a cohesive ideology became more apparent, and fell apart. Yeah, it loped along for two more decades in a few states, but it gradually fell off more and more ballots, and never really did anything relevant after the 2000 election.
Make it so.
They could reconstitute the Free Soil Party out of the Republican Party into which it was absorbed. They could run on the platform of stopping the spread of Trumpism into non-Trump states.
Bill Weld may be old enough to have voted for Van Buren when he ran on the Free Soil ticket.
They should just go back to being the Whigs, IMO. Just a bunch of scheming Machiavellians of which Henry Clay was probably the worst.
REAL Republicans can join the LP —
the rest become open Trump nazis.
Here’s the bad thing: No political party that will be a net positive has any chance of winning the presidency, or capturing enough major offices, to have much of an impact. As long as the Federal Reserve System and fiat currency exists, the bad guys and gals can create as much money as they want, and use it to reward their allies and punish their opponents. There are also far too many special interest groups who rely on the status quo, plus the mainstream news media is in the hands of the bad guys and gals. Also, any political party or organization or movement can be internally sabotaged by sending in operatives, and it does not take that many people to damage a party or movement.
So what to do? I see cryptocurrency as one of the only hopes. Just think if every libertarian had bought some Bitcoin or Ethereum when it was cheap. We’d have way more libertarian millionaires and billionaires right now. If a critical mass of the general public would stop using Federal Reserve Notes (ala-US Dollars, which are not really dollars or notes, since they are not backed by gold or silver), and started using cryptocurrency, it would really throw a wrench into the machine of big government. Governments are likely going to co-opt Bitcoin, and/or create their own cryptocurrencies. Keep in mind that most US Dollars are already digital anyway, and have been for a long time. They want to completely wipe out physical currency, that is paper money and coins (and the metal in coins have already been debased to the point where they have gone to cheaper and cheaper metals, first taking the silver out of coins, them taking the nickel out of Nickels, or .05 cent pieces, and taking the copper out of pennies, or .01 cent pieces). The move to cryptocurrencies is a good thing, IF it is NOT controlled by any government. If a government controls a cryptocurrency, it basically defeats the purpose of having them, because then they can be used as tools for tracking and controlling people, and rewarding allies and punishing political enemies. The bad news is that most cryptocurrencies, including Bitcoin, are trackable. While who owns a particular Bitcoin address may not be known, how much is in that address (ie-wallet), and how that Bitcoin is being spent (as in what addresses/wallets is it sending Bitcoin to) IS all public record, and anyone in the world with even very basic computer skills can look this up, and while a person could try to keep their Bitcoin address private, there are other methods of spying to where it could potentially be found out who owns that Bitcoin address, and the same is true with most cryptocurrencies. What is the solution to this? DEFAULT PRIVACY CRYPTOCURRENCIES, the most notable of which is MONERO. Monero is so private that no government has been able to track it, and all balances and transactions are private by default, as in one does not have to turn the privacy features on in order for it to be private. There are a few cryptocurrencies like ZCash which have a very strong privacy feature, but that feature has to be turned on to work, otherwise, ZCash is as traceable as Bitcoin. It has been found that most people who hold ZCash and other optional privacy coins don’t bother to turn the feature on that much, but in order for everything to be private, everyone using it would have to leave the privacy option on at all times, and this is not likely to happen. So if one values privacy, default privacy coins like Monero are the way to go. If everyone, or even just a critical mass of the population, started using default privacy cryptocurrencies like Monero, and stopped using government fiat currency, and stopped using banks, it would basically be GAME OVER for government, because they would lose the ability to track and control people, and to tax, and to manipulate the money supply in order to reward their political allies (and themselves), and punish their political enemies.
Some may ask, what if government’s just outlaw cryptocurrency? If it were that easy, they would have already done it. They could try shutting down the internet, but then they would have more problems on their hands, and they would have to shut it down for the entire world to be effective, which is far easier said than done, but even if they did that, cryptocurrencies can STILL be traded over HAM radio, and people could also download them to flash drives or microchips, and trade the flash drives or microchips.
Cryptocurrency could be the tool for victory libertarians have been looking for all these years. Libertarians ought to be preaching cryptocurrency, and in particular, the default privacy cryptocurrencies like Monero, from the rooftops.
Three other important tools for victory libertarians ought to promote are:
1) the right to keep and bear arms, and not just to right wingers/conservatives, since most of them already agree with this, to at least some extent, so libertarians out to focus on people on the left and non-voters with this message, which should a) focus on the correlation between gun control and tyrannical governments and crime, and b) the fact that you can’t rely on the state for protection, and a particular emphasis should be placed on 3D printed guns and other home made guns, because if the state outlaws them, people can still make them, and it is much easier to do now with 3D printers;
2) jury nullification of victimless crimes, as in all potential jurors should know that they have the right to judge the validity of the law itself, and not just the facts of the case, and if they believe a law is unjust, or is being applied in an unjust manner, they have the right to vote Not Guilty, even if the person is guilt, and a crime needs to be properly defined as a violation of person or property, as in a coercive act of violence, theft, or property destruction;
3) home schooling, and more specifically, getting one’s children out of government schools, and given the growth of the internet, home schooling is now easier than ever, and libertarians should particularly promote home schooling which promotes liberty, such as the Ron Paul Curriculum and Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom (Liberty Classroom is not specifically designed as a comprehensive education program, unlike the Ron Paul Curriculum, which Tom Woods helped design, as Liberty Classroom only focuses on history, philosophy, and economics, but it is still a great program of which millions of people could benefit).
I am skeptical that a political party in and if itself is really going to produce the changes that ought to happen, and this includes the Libertarian Party, however, a political party which promoted the above action items would be very useful. Are enough Libertarians listening and going go take action to implement and promote these action items? I think sitting back and continuing to do what you have always done is not going to work, not if you want success anyway.
I’m not that a split will really occur. Lots of Republicans I know totally disdain the religious right, but see it as a necessary evil to gain power.
THE DEVIL CITY RED DONKEYS WILL SHORTLY MAKE ALL CRYPTO CASH A MAJOR FELONY —
NOOOOOO COMPETITION FOR JUNK NONSTOP INFLATION USA DOLLARS SINCE 1933.
HOW MANY TRILLIONS ADDED TO USA NATIONAL DEBT DUE TO BIDEN — AS USA SENATOR / VP / PREZ ???
—
http://brightlinewatch.org/american-democracy-at-the-start-of-the-biden-presidency/
ANOTHER MINDLESS *EXPERTS* REPORT —
SECESS STUFF down about 20 pct on page.
The Libertarian Party had enough impact in both 2016 and 2020 to change the outcome in several swing states. This is not inconsequential. Do you know how the Prohibition Party achieved prohibition without winning any Presidential elections, or any significant offices? They took advantage of the narrow pluralities in key elections in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and consciously ran candidates in swing districts. Eventually, both major parties had to come around to their position, or risk losing elections. If Libertarians just focus their scarce resources in this way, they could have an impact, without ever having to elect a President, or any major office.
All political parties are made up of coalitions. The question is can the coalitions work together enough to achieve common goals. The Libertarian Party could easily split up into 4 or 5 different parties right now. The problem would be getting name recognition and ballot access for each party, and also battling for who controls the ballot access in each state where the LP does have ballot access, and note that most of those states do not allow a party to change its name.
Starting a new political party is very difficult. Somebody like Donald Trump has the money, and ability to raise money, and the name recognition, to make it happen, but making that party successful, which means seeing all, or many of, that party’s policy positions be implemented in a manner which achieves the goals of that political party, is another, and far more difficult to accomplish, thing.
The Libertarian Party did not change much of anything. If most of the same policies are in place, particularly the major ones, nothing much has changed.
The Libertarian Party made the difference in both Presidential elections in 2016 and 2020. But, don’t take my word for it: just look at the numbers.
The leaders of the libertarian Party just have to realize the potential that the party has, and utilize it by focusing scarce resources in marginal districts and states.
USA/States/Locals now looting about 40 pct of GDP.
— borrowing about 25 pct of that each year for decades.
ALL govts debt now over $$$ 40 TRIL.
TOTAL de facto bankruptcy of USA regime and some commie State/Local regimes — CA, NY, etc.
Things will change the very hard way — when the IRON laws of econ show up
— will make Texas power/freeze rot seem trivial.
The Libertarian Party, by its activism and lobbying and lawsuits, has improved ballot access laws in over half the states. It is due to the Libertarian Party that whereas the median vote test for a party to remain on the ballot in 1976 was 5%, now it is 2%.
@Walter
“utilize it by focusing scarce resources in marginal districts and states.” – this is literally what the “Fontier Project” is. This is how the LP elected their first state legislator in decades (Marshall Burt in WY): https://www.lp.org/frontier-project-candidate-elected-to-wyoming-house/ and another one lost by only a handful of votes
An anti-Trump conservative party could take off, if big names backed it. I hear the Bush’s loath Trump.
https://clerk.house.gov/Members#ElectionInformation
3 USA ANTI-Democracy gerrymander systems.
Some REP/EC seat changes when 2020 Census Pop stats show up whenever.
What percent of LP Congress and State legislature folks since 1970 ???
0.0001 percent or less ???
How many statist laws repealed due to the LP ???
0.00001 percent or less ???
———-
PR and APPV
TOTSOP
Hey Richard, How about setting up a Demo Rep filter and just sending all his drivel straight to some other file…you know, like a spam folder. We all thank you kindly in advance.
@ TJ:
Big Names are mentioned in this article.
IMO, the key is the 2022 elections. If a major Trump family member, like Ivanka or Don Jr, win a Senate seat, and if so-called RINO’s are ptimaried out, look for those Big Name anti-Trump Republicans to gravitate to another place.
Romney is the key Big Name to watch. He’s the guy who could make this happen.
Ivanka already called little Marco and said she wouldn’t challenge him for his seat.
Ross Perot had lots of money and his reform party blew up when Pat Buchanan tried to take it over.
@ TJ
The Reform Party was started by outsiders. This new party could have some major insiders, like Romney, jump on board if they think the Republican Party is antithetical to there goals.
This could be like when political leaders left the Whig Party to join the new Republican Party. This seems to be the way that successful new major parties get started in the US. Altho, its been a long time since that happened.
Ivanka has other Senatorial options.
Like what?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)
esp 1854-1871.
Total elephant rot since since 1964 Goldwater.
Such rot got the LP going in 1965-1970.
There are other states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States)
various LP logos.
Fatal defect — LP Natl Bylaws – copied from GOP Bylaws.
part gerrymander LP Natl Comt
total violation of separation of powers
annual vacation conventions for LP elites
akin to the ROT in USA/State regimes.
Goldwater was fairly libertarian. He even supported gay rights before it was cool.
And, in fact, the LP was started in 1971 by many people who had supported Goldwater, but we disenchanted with Nixon, particularly wages and price controls, and the effective end of gold conversion.
And what states other than FL and NY does Ivanka have anything to do with?
Making a difference in which bad politician gets elected is not really changing anything.
The Reform Party did not fall apart because of Pat Buchanan. It fell apart because it lacked a cohesive ideology and set of principles. It was lots of people who wanted reform, but who had differing ideas on what those reforms should be. It was also kind of a cult of personality surrounding Ross Perot. After he ceased involvement involvement in it, the lack of a cohesive ideology became more apparent, and fell apart. Yeah, it loped along for two more decades in a few states, but it gradually fell off more and more ballots, and never really did anything relevant after the 2000 election.
Walter
Maybe. Maybe not.
https://www.eonline.com/news/1151134/kim-kardashian-files-for-divorce-from-kanye-west-after-six-years-of-marriage
final straw – 2020 KW for Prez stuff ???
The only residency requirement of a US Senator is to be an inhabitant of the state from which they are elected on the day that they are elected.