1. Hopefully they run Sinema and the Republicans get the seat back.

2. Recent polls show that if Sinema runs as an independent, that helps the Democratic nominee more than the Republican nominee.

   However, it appears that No Labels has told the Secretary of State that it doesn’t wish to participate in the 2024 primary, and in that case No Labels won’t have any nominees for any office other than presidential electors.

3. Richard, No Labels can opt out of the Presidential preference election but if any one of the 8,500 plus registered No Labels party members like me registers as a candidate in the August primary (by petition or write-in) the will be a No Labels primary for that office. Show me the statute that says otherwise.

4. This was settled by the cases the Green Party lost against its own candidates in 2010.

5. Polls mean zilch.

6. Yeah, just ask former president Hillary Rodham.

7. Richard Grayson, you may be right, but I wouldn’t count on it. I’m guessing that No Labels has a lot more money for lawyers than the Green Party. Just because something is “settled” doesn’t mean courts can’t change it later. Roe v Wade was settled for 50 years, until it wasn’t. From 1980 to 2012 it was settled that sore loser laws don’t apply to presidential candidate’s, but that didn’t help Gary Johnson or Rocky de la Fuente, who were both kept off at least some state ballots solely due to sore loser laws. Johnson was also kept off in Oklahoma in 2012 because the courts ended up ruling that the state party had no right to overrule national Americans Elect preference to have no candidates, also contrary to previous legal precedent. But, good luck.

8. Polls don’t mean zilch. They were pretty dead on in 2022. Clinton was within the margin of error of the national poll average. There were late breaking developments in 2016, particularly the Coney announcement about reopening an investigation into Clinton, and few state polls that late in what turned out to be swing states.

   I agree with Larry that hopefully Sinema as a third party or independent will help the Republicans get the seat back. And I agree with Richard that she might have the opposite effect. Either way I’m optimistic the Republicans will get the seat back because Biden is 15 points underwater and sinking like a rock. There hasn’t been a more unpopular president seeking reelection since at least Jimmy Carter, if not Herbert Hoover, and neither one of those had increasingly severe senile dementia. That doesn’t mean democrats won’t try to cheat again, but I think it will be outside plausible cheating range for them. Biden’s unpopularity will have effects downticket.

   Even long time Democrats I know are sick of Biden. I know at least two who would have never thought about voting for Trump or any other Republican for President before and are leaning that way now. A bunch more who are very unenthusiastic about voting for Biden again and might sit it out or switch. I don’t know one person who voted for Trump before who wouldn’t again. I also know at least 5 people who never voted before who all plan to vote for the first time, all of them for Trump. Of course it’s easier to say than actually follow up and do it, and it’s not a scientific sample, blah blah blah. But for whatever it’s worth. I hope Biden and his out of touch supporters keep talking about “Bidenomics” as much as possible for the next 15 months.

9. Comey, not Coney..

10. Also fwiw with the stipulations it’s not a scientific sample. Not one person I know who has heard of No Labels or Joe Manchin would vote for him/them. One cousin in West Virginia would vote for Minchin for Senate again, but not President. I tested out a few other names of the kind of people they might run and every single one “polled” at 0%. There were roughly 100 people in the non random sample, about 60% Trump supporters.

11. So by my count this has No Labels ballot qualified in Arizona, Nevada, South Dakota, Arkansas, Utah, Oregon, Colorado, and Florida. Believe they’ve submitted petitions and are awaiting decisions in North Carolina, Maine, and Ohio?

12. Marc, there are already two candidates who’ve filed statements of interest as No Labels Party candidates in next August’s primary: one for U.S. Senator and one for Corporation Commissioner. They are listed on the Secretary of State’s website. (I’d give the link to the AZ SOS Elections website, but I don’t think it would appear on this comment. You can see for yourself by going to it.)

    Once they are a political party, the No Labels fat cats like Nancy Jacobson and Mark Penn and the other shady right-wing millionaires and billionaires and their D.C. or NYC based minions do not control the Arizona No Labels Party. There are over 8,500 registered No Labels Party members in the state, with more to come, and we can start our own state committee and county committees and party structure. It’s the same as the DNC and RNC being unable to control the Democratic and Republican state (or D.C.) parties.

    Going back to the 1970s, all minor parties in Arizona have had candidates running in primaries, from the Libertarians to the Greens to the Socialist Workers to Americans Elect. Unlike in other states like Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming and many others, Arizona has no statute or election provision allowing a recognized political party to not hold a primary when a member of the party has filed as a candidate for state or federal office.

    Of the states Joshua has mentioned, only Arizona will have No Labels Party candidates running for state and federal offices in 2024. (See the Wikipedia article on Americans Elect and you will notice that only in Arizona and California [which has all-party primaries] were candidates on the ballot.

    I will be a No Labels candidate and I am recruiting others to run, mostly in legislative and congressional districts where no Democrat or no Republican would otherwise be on the ballot. (Last year, this was common in many state legislative districts, and Congressmembers Paul Gosar and Debbie Lesko ran unopposed except for write-in candidates (including me).

13. Marc, I am the treasurer of this PAC registered with the FEC:
    FEC electronic filing results

    Your filing was received and accepted by our system on 07/16/2023 09:42:15 AM, and was assigned the Filing ID: FEC-1714792

    Committee ID: C00845719
    Committee name: Arizona No Labels Party Voters for Joe Biden
    Form type: F1N (New Report)
    Schedule:
    From/through: –
    Filing software/version: FEC Webforms/8.4.0.0

14. Grayson just admitted to being a communist by supporting Biden.

15. Richard. Again, I wish you good luck, and you may turn out to be right. None of what you said contradicts what I said. Read it again if you think it does. No amount of previous precedents, filed paperwork, etc will help you if they hire a bunch of big money lawyers on it and end up winning cases to override prior precedents. To see what I meant see what happened to Johnson with Americans Elect in Oklahoma in 2012. You can look up the other examples I cited in the archives at this site using the search function. If you’re using the phone version there’s a button at the bottom that says full. That brings up the desktop version that has a search box. You can probably also find it straight from Google or other search engines.

16. Tom, does he actually support Beijing Biden or is he playing some kind of game or trying to make a point or whatever?

17. This is who Grayson supports

    https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-say-itll-take-a-lot-more-than-eyewitness-testimony-bank-records-audio-video-complete-confessions-for-them-to-believe-biden-did-anything-wrong

18. Even if they had all that they’d still find a reason to say it’s ok. I’ll wait for Grayson to confirm whether he actually does support Biden .

19. HOW MUCH IN $$$ *DONATIONS* WILL THE NLP IN *MARGINAL* PREZ STATES GET FROM THE D COMMIES / R FASCISTS —

    FOR DIVIDE AND CONQUER MACHINATIONS. ???

20. I am too busy to interact with anyone here. You can Google my past campaigns or many other sources about me if you have so much time and nothing better to do. I am too busy to comment any further. Thanks.

21. You spent more time commenting that you don’t have time to comment than it would have taken to clarify whether you actually support Dementia Joe or are just making some kind of point or playing political games. I’m not interested enough to do unpaid oppo research on you and was just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. My guess is you are probably playing some sort of game and I’m not interested enough to try to sort out for what purpose.

    I wished you good luck only because I sympathize with grassroots folks like you are (as far as I know) who sincerely follow the rules , regs and court precedents and all too often then get screwed by the shady billionaire globalists and their corrupt big money lawyers. I’m hoping that doesn’t happen to you. That is all. If you actually do support Quisling Joe, I won’t try to convince you, but my sympathies if you plan on going down with that sinking ship.

22. DEMOCRATS ARE CLOSER TO BOTH FASCISM AND COMMUNISM THAN REPUBLICANS ARE TO EITHER ONE. DEMOCRATS ARE CLOSEST TO FASCISM AS A WAY STATION TO THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL OF COMPLETE COMMUNIST GLOBAL TOTALITARIANISM. FIRST STOP, QUISLING JOE BIDEN FASCISM.

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