As of 9:35 p.m. Ohio time, the Ohio ballot measure to make it more difficult for initiatives to get on the ballot is losing, with only 43% of the voters supporting it. Here is a link to the unofficial election returns, via the Ohio Secretary of State’s website.
Ballot Access News
Edited By Richard Winger
ONLY FASCIST ELEPHANTS VOTED YES ???
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ALL STATES– MINORITY RULE GERRYMANDER LEGISLATURES
TOTALLY UN-REPRESENTATIVE — SINCE 4 JULY 1776 [EARLIER IN OLDE COLONIES)
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This worst thing about this initiative in my opinion was having to qualify all of Ohio’s 88 counties. Some counties are really difficult for petition signature gathering.
The legislature does not need votes from every county in order to place an issue on the ballot, so them placing this burden on people using the initiative petition process strikes me as hypocritical.
This should have passed. It should require a super majority to amend Constitution.
Of course AZ will say something retarded like the state of Ohio itself is gerrymandering and we should have one piece of paper per signature.
It’s not hard to petition in 88 counties unless you are lazy. Andy Gonzalez is lazy.
This didn’t pass for the same reason it’s not passed otherwhere that it’s been tried. The people aren’t going to just give away their power to directly impact state policy, and they’re right not to. It was a naked power grab. In this instance, the Ohio legislature banned special elections in August in January and then turned around and did this in what was a blatantly obvious attempt to try to prevent the adoption of a constitutional amendment that would enshrine a woman’s right to choose in the state constitution that will be on the ballot this November. Not only that, but the people of Ohio are right not to trust the state legislature and the Republican Party of Ohio. The former speaker and the former chairman of the Ohio Republican Party of Ohio were both just sentenced to 20 years in prison for corruption. Why would we give up our power and trust people like that to do what’s best?
Go away commie.
Florida increased its vote threshold to pass a constitutional amendment from a simple majority t o 60% back in 2006.
Colorado increased its vote threshold to pass a constitutional amendment from a simple majority to 55% back around 2014 or 2016.
Since 2017 it’s been tried in 10 states (all traditionally red states) and it’s passed in one, Arizona, and even then that increased threshold applies ONLY to proposed tax increases. (proposition 132)
Ohio itself is gerrymandered and it should have one piece of paper per signature.
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DemonRats are way closer to fascist than Republicans are. A woman should not have any right to murder her baby or hire a contract killer to do it. It makes sense to require more than a simple majority to change a constitution.
It’s not hard to petition in any county. They all have gas station convenience stores and dollar stores, at least some of which will give forgiveness or permission. Most counties have fairs and festivals at some point. Any county will have some towns where people live close enough to each other to go door to door effectively. A lot of small towns still have old fashioned sidewalk entrance post offices. You will also find voters from any county visiting other counties, especially if their county doesn’t have a full variety of retailers, higher education, many events, etc. It’s typical leftist crybaby snowflake whining that it’s hard to get signatures in low population counties.
There is no Ohio legislative rule that a bill can’t pass in the legislature unless it gets a vote from a representative or senator from each of the 88 counties. If the legislature can pass a bill without requiring support from every county, why should the voters be handcuffed that way? There should be no distribution requirement at all.
When the people elect statewide office-holders, there is no distribution requirement for someone to win. Whoever gets the most votes wins, regardless of how his or her votes are distributed around the state.
Abortion wasn’t on the ballot, Harley. Issue 1 wasn’t only going to apply to the amendment about abortion that’s going to be on the ballot in November. It was going to impact ALL future constitutional amendments. 57% of Ohioans voted against this amendment. Which means not only did Issue 1 not get the 51% needed to adopt it, damn near that 60% threshold you want said no to it.
ABOLISH THE MINORITY RULE USA SENATE AND 12 AMDT EC >>> DIVIDE MOST STATES.
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It makes more sense to have requirements for constitutional amendment that don’t exist for legislation. The U.S. constitution requires 3/4 states, which is not a requirement for legislation. Legislation should be the job of legislators, as in literally that is the job we hire them to do. If the people are to do legislating as a whole, which is a very dubious notion itself, it absolutely makes more sense that it should require extraordinary support, far more than mere legislation. As someone said here a few weeks or months ago, I wouldn’t want to smell what would happen if all my neighbors were forced to do their own plumbing, rather than hiring professional plumbers. Lawmaking is very similar in that regard.
I am well aware that abortion wasn’t directly on the ballot. However, both those supporting and opposing the measure knew why it was brought up at this time. As for the fact that it would impact other amendments going forward, again, I see that as a feature, not a bug. 60% is a compromise; I’d set it higher if I could.
AZ gets one out of three right – larger population states should be broken up, or perhaps in the case of some (California comes to mind here), kicked out of the Union. The Senate and Electoral college should absolutely not be abolished. However, they should be elected by legislators.
If as AZ states elsewhere states are “sovereign nation states” how can they be gerrymanders and why should it be up to anyone from out of state whether, how, or when they divide?
Abolishing the Senate and Electoral college would increase the political power of the minority of people who live in the biggest cities, who also tend to be the people voting for open borders and population replacement, among many other bad things they vote for such as higher taxes and spending, confiscation of guns from citizens, teaching public school kids “woke” cultural bolshevik propaganda, etc, etc. Why would it be better if such voters had more political power?
Kicking California out of the US is actually a great idea. That alone would solve many of our problems. Maybe they, plus Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, the New England states, New York and New Jersey could join Canada, and most of the people in those states as well as the remaining US states would be happier as a result. I’m sure it won’t happen, but I can dream.
Another thing AZ has never addressed is that one signature per petition sheet actually does absolutely nothing to cut down on fraud. It makes petitioning harder and wastes paper. What’s good about it?
ONE VOTER FORMS –
VIA I-NET, JUNK PO ADS, SURVIVING NEWPAPERS / MAGS — PERHAPS EVEN LOCAL BIZ — ESP FAST FOOD JOINTS
NOOOO CIRCULATOR $$$ COSTS
If that worked campaigns would already be doing it. The reason they don’t is because it has been tried many times and failed miserably. The return rate is next to nonexistent. At least two states, New Hampshire and Florida, already use one signature forms. It doesn’t cut down on fraud and it doesn’t make the petition methods you mention any more effective than it is in other states. It does only two things, waste people’s time and waste paper . Why do you keep ignoring these facts and repeating your ignorant blathering?
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ALL BALLOT ACCESS STUFF IS DICTATED BY THE COMMIES/FASCISTS IN STATE LEGISLATURES —
NOOO OTHER OPTIONS — EXCEPT WRITE-INS — ABOUT 99 PLUS PCT FAILURES.
14-1 AMDT EP CL — SCREWED UP SINCE 1968 WILLIAMS V RHODES
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SCREAMING LIKE A MENTAL PATIENT WON’T CONVINCE ANYONE TO FOLLOW YOUR RETARDED BULLSHIT.
PAT WOULD AGREE.
How does AZ response relate to what I said? It doesn’t. Was what I wrote somehow unclear?
Pat agrees with TX
@AZ,
Would you criminalize use of multi-person petition forms?
Is anyone besides AZ confused as to what I meant?
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ONLY ONE VOTER SIG FORMS WOULD COUNT– FOR BALLOT ACCESS — OFFICES / ISSUES —
END PETITION CONFUSION.
ZILLION SIGS ON 1 AMDT PETITIONS RE GRIEVANCES — SEE 1765 AND 1774 PETITONS —
IGNORED BY TOP BRIT MONARCHS/OLIGARCHS.
Multiple signatures on petition sheets have nothing whatsoever to do with petition confusion. The only confusion here is on your part.