As Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and his supporters, mull over strategy for getting on the ballot, this information may be helpful to them.
In 1924, U.S. Senator Robert La Follette launched an independent presidential candidacy with the “Progressive” label. La Follete did not consider himself a socialist but he was happy to have the nomination of the Socialist Party, because without it he could not have been on the ballot in California. California at the time did not permit independent presidential canddiates and it was too late to get a new party on the California ballot.
In 1936, Congressman William Lemke launched a presidential campaign under the banner of the Union Party, a new party. But he was happy to have the nomination of The Third Party of Michigan, a pre-qualified party. Without it, Lemke could not have been on the ballot in Michigan, because Michigan didn’t allow independent presidential candidates and it was too late for a new party to qualify in Michigan.
In 1948, Henry Wallace launched a new Progressive Party, but he also depended on the pre-existing American Labor Party so that he didn’t need a New York petition.
Also in 1948, Strom Thurmond launched an independent presidential candidacy with the label “States Rights” or “States Rights Democrat”, but he was happy to have the nomination of the Democratic Parties of South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana.
In 1968, George Wallace launched an independent presidential campaign using various labels, mostly “American”, “American Independent”, or “George Wallace Party.” But he was happy to have the nomination of the pre-qualified Conservative Party of Kansas, because otherwise he probably could not have been on the Kansas ballot. Kansas did not allow independent presidential candidates, and the law on how a new party got on the Kansas ballot at the time was extremely vague and unclear.
In 1980, John B. Anderson launched an independent presidential campaign mostly using the label “independent”, but also in some states “Anderson Coalition.” But he was happy to have the nomination of the pre-qualified Liberal Party of New York.
Ralph Nader ran as an independent in both 2004 and 2008, and both times he was glad to have the nomination of some pre-qualified minor parties. In 2004 they were the Reform Party, the New York Independence Party, the Delaware Independent Party, and the South Carolina Independence Party. In 2008 they were the Independent Party of Connecticut, the Peace & Freedom Party of California, the Independent Party of Delaware, the Natural Law Party of Michigan, and the Independence Party of South Carolina.
Wow! That was quite interesting.
Perhaps some opportunities will arise for Kennedy this year. It will be interesting to watch.
Thurmond in Florida was listed as an Independent.
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Re John Anderson in 1980, it came out later he got the Liberal Party nomination from a Reagan partisan that gave a suitcase of money to the Chairman.
Michael, the November 1948 Florida ballot did not label Thurmond an “independent.” The four presidential candidates who appeared on the Florida ballot did not have any party labels. But their candidates for presidential elector, printed beneath the names of the presidential candidates, did have party labels. Voters could vote for individual candidates for presidential elector. Florida had eight electoral votes. Four of Truman’s presidential elector candidates had a “(D)” printed next to their name but the other four Truman electors had no party abbreviation. The same is true for Thurmond: four of the Thurmond electors had a “(D)” and the other four had no label. All eight Republican presidential elector candidates had an “(R)” after their name. The Henry Wallace electors had no label. This odd ballot was dictated by a bill the Florida legislature passed in September 1948, naming the candidates for presidential elector who were to be printed on the ballot and describing their party labels. Senate bill no. 2-X, which can be seen in Laws of Florida, 1948, chapter 24994.
Ryan, do you have a reference? There are two books on the history of the Anderson campaign and neither of them says the Liberal Party was bribed. “No Holding Back” by Jim Mason says on pages 361ff that leaders of the Liberal Party were angry at Carter for ignoring them after they had helped him in NY in 1976. They met with Carter on June 18, but then he never communicated with them again, so on September 6 the Liberal Party committee voted 32-2 to choose Anderson, after Anderson and his running mate had met with them earlier in the day.
Some Reagan fixer died and I read it in his obituary years ago that he admitted to it in a courtroom. I’ll see if I can find a name and post it if I do.
Roy Cohn. He died in 1986 so I must’ve read it originally in not an obituary. Link below has as source a Sky News Documentary from August 2020.
“1979 – Cohn assisted in Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaign and, together with political consultant Roger Stone, arranged for John B. Anderson to receive the Liberal Party of New York’s nomination which would ultimately split Reagan’s opposition.”
http://www.radiotimes.com/tv/documentaries/true-crime/roy-cohn-career-time-sky-documentary/
Sorry, correct link is http://www.radiotimes.com/tv/documentaries/true-crime/roy-cohn-career-timeline-sky-documentary/
How I must’ve found this out initially was Roger Stone and appears Stone admitted it.
https://www.cityandstateny.com/personality/2020/07/roger-stones-new-york-intrigues/177751/
“1980 – JOHN ANDERSON CAMPAIGN
Stone moved up quickly through the Republican ranks in the 1970s, including stints on the Nixon campaign and as president of the Young Republicans, a position he won with the help of Paul Manafort. Then when Ronald Reagan was running for the presidency in 1980 against President Jimmy Carter, Stone teamed up with Roy Cohn, a sinister New York City lawyer best known for his association with Trump. Stone and Cohn worked together to help third-party candidate John Anderson secure the Liberal Party nomination in New York in order to draw votes away from Carter. They did this by reportedly passing on $125,000 to an attorney with contacts in the party. “There’s a suitcase,” Stone has said. “I don’t look in the suitcase … I don’t even know what was in the suitcase … I take the suitcase to the law office. I drop it off. Two days later, they have a convention. Liberals decide they’re endorsing John Anderson for president. It’s a three-way race now in New York state. Reagan wins (New York) with 46 percent of the vote. I paid his law firm. Legal fees. I don’t know what he did for the money, but whatever it was, the Liberal Party reached its right conclusion out of a matter of principle.” ”
Stone’s own words on the matter are in a Weekly Standard story linked at the above article that no ponger exists because the Weekly Standard is out of business.
Kennedy doesn’t take crap apparently. If he runs as an independent candidate for President in 2024 = tough crap Democratic Party. You brought this on yourself for treating him like dog crap. Americans love an underdog. I will vote for him for nostalgic reasons and about 25 other baby boomers I know will too.
thank you, Ryan.
In New York, Wallace was listed as the nominee of the Courage Party because state law did not allow parties to have the words “American” or “Independent” in their name.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/daily-news-courage-party/132787889/
https://www.newspapers.com/article/daily-news-1968-new-york-ballot/132787373/
Here is a 1980 Daily News article and a Jimmy Breslin column about the Liberal Party line. Those of us who lived in NYC and knew anything about politics knew that Raymond Harding essentially *was* the Liberal Party. Harding was the last of the city’s old-time bosses and ended up in prison.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/daily-news-anderson-carter-and-the-libe/132788266/
Oops, here is the continuation of the Jimmy Breslin column on the 1980 Liberal Party nod:
https://www.newspapers.com/image/485401603/?clipping_id=132788699
Sirhan Sirhan, where are you now that we need you?
Maybe it was a combination of feeling slighted by Carter and a bribe that may or may not have been needed to ensure the outcome but was paid just in case.
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@AZ,
Could you quote a full sentence in ‘Brown v. Board’ about “separate” not being “equal”?
Ballot access censorship laws serve to muddle the ideals and principles of alternative parties. Fascism?
JR–
We conclude that in the field of public education the doctrine of “separate but equal” has no place. Separate educational facilities are inherently unequal. Therefore, we hold that the plaintiffs and others similarly situated for whom the actions have been brought are, by reason of the segregation complained of, deprived of the equal protection of the laws guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment.
— Brown, 397 U.S. 483 at 495.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education
HOW MANY USELESS BALLOT ACCESS SO-CALLED CONLAW LAWYERS OF 3RD PARTIES AND INDEES SINCE 1968 WILLIAMS V RHODES ???
SAME FOR GERRYMANDER CASES- UNEQUAL VOTES FOR WINNERS AND IN GERRYMANDER DISTRICT TOTALS
In the field of public education, dumbazz
It has nothing to do with elections, moron.
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Roger Stone might have bribed someone to get the Liberal Party to back John Anderson, or he might be lying about that to make him seem more competent than he is. There were clear indications at the time that Liberals had problems with President Carter. Also, history shows that the Liberal Party gets more votes when it runs its own candidate – just not enough to win. But running a high profile Liberal candidate can bring extra votes to the major party candidates running with the Liberal nomination as a second ballot line.
In 1952, the Liberals ran their own candidate for Senate, who received 489,000 votes. This helped Adlai Stevenson to get 416,000 votes on the Liberal ticket, a total Liberal vote for President not exceeded until 1980, when John Anderson received 467,000 votes on the Liberal ticket. So they might have wanted to run their own candidate for President to get their vote totals up, and show they had a reason to exist independently of the Democratic Party.
And it is true that Ronald Reagan won New York with 47% of the vote, and he carried other states with plurality votes because of John Anderson. But Reagan’s national total was 51%; he likely received enough electoral votes from states where he received 50%+ of the vote to ensure his victory without winning the states where he received a plurality. And in 1984, President Reagan received a majority in New York on his way to a 49 state victory.
Also, in 1980, Jacob Javits did continue his Liberal Party campaign after losing the Republican primary. Despite his support for John Anderson in the Republican primary, Javits backed Reagan in November 1980.
The problem with the reading of “get their own vote totals up” Gene Berkman is in the context of New York politics, that’s completely irrelevant. Your ballot access forever was based on getting 50,000 votes in the Governor’s race every 4 years. What killed the Liberal Party was ironically Andrew Cuomo withdrawing from running for Governor in 2002 when he lost the Democratic primary, and unlike what Cynthia Nixon did in 2018 for the Working Families Party, did not run for another office to allow the party to nominate the Democrat.
When it comes to the fusionist parties in New York State, I don’t consider them third parties. They’re more concerned with influencing the primary of another party than they are the general. If the Working Families Party ran candidates in New York City, they’d probably finish ahead of the Republicans. So why were they co-nominating Carolyn Maloney for years?
If the Working Families Party of New York was a real political party, they wouldn’t have co-nominated Cuomo for Governor in 2018. With everything they had said prior and went on in that race between Cuomo and Nixon, for them to then endorse Cuomo I lost all respect for them.
Richard Grayson comment about Sirhan Sirhan is really sick.
Ryan – in 1966, The Liberal Party nominated Franklin D Roosevelt Jr for Governor, rather than backing the Democrat in the race. Their motivation was to get more votes than they could pull on their line for the Democrat. The Liberals hoped to keep Column “C” on the voting machine, as they faced a challenge from the Conservative Party. In November, Dr Paul Adams, the Conservative received 3000 more votes than FDR Jr and The Conservative Party got Column “C.” So vote totals matter.
@AZ,
Are there racially segregated elections in the USA?
AZ IS CONFUSED. OR A TROLL MORON. ELECTIONS ARE NOT EDUCATION AND NOT “SEPARATE BUT EQUAL.”
JR ASKED-
Are there racially segregated elections in the USA?
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PUBLIC – NONE LEGAL —
REALITY — RACIAL GERRYMANDERS VIA UNCON 1965 VRA.
PRIVATE — PERHAPS – PRIVATE GROUPS — OLDE TUSKEGEE GROUP- WW II BLACK FIGHTER PILOTS.
Racial gerrymandering is a different question than thresholds of public support.
AZ has had this and many other things explained to him countless times, but he thinks he knows everything so he just keeps repeating the same old debunked nonsense countless times any way like the brainless robot he actually is.